... Lots of energy and time into a passive aggressive statement
Severe issues with 2023 Panigale V4R. Need help.
- Thread starter v4rretard
- Start date
Help Support Ducati Forum:
... Lots of energy and time into a passive aggressive statement
- Joined
- Jul 22, 2020
- Messages
- 2,035
- Location
- texas
Where did the -1.6% figure come from? I am genuinely curious.
I wasn’t able to find any financial statements or securities filings on line.
- Joined
- May 28, 2022
- Messages
- 2,900
- Location
- USA
You have much to learn of the google
https://www.emis.com/php/company-profile/SI/Akrapovich_Dd__Ivanchna_Gorica__en_1528389.html
- Joined
- Aug 12, 2022
- Messages
- 2,029
- Location
- Czech Republic
That’s quite amazing. It doesn’t seem to show up in some other locations I checked so perhaps just a UK offer by the look of it.
I was pleased to get mine for £4,875 delivered but at £1,500 you can’t imagine that anyone ordering a V4R now wouldn’t want one.
You have much to learn of the google
https://www.emis.com/php/company-profile/SI/Akrapovich_Dd__Ivanchna_Gorica__en_1528389.html
I saw this but wasn’t willing to pay $30 for the report. The site doesn’t provide any meaningful info without payment.
if my dealer told me, that was normal, I would walk out and find another dealer immediately. That’s the biggest crock of horseshit I’ve ever seen. I broke my bike in as specified here its 6k rpm, and have since tracked it four or five weekends. I am a track coach. I have never seen a drop of oil. There is definitely something wrong. And i fill mine to the upper marker. I believe Ducati has a European factory rep phone number in your owners manual. I would be calling it and I would have copies of every bit of work this dealership performed. What number do you have? I got mine last July #240. If this was ‘normal’ for a WSBK bike, there would be no WSBK.
What dealer are you dealing with? I'm familiar with India, and how it operates. I saw recently how Ducati Bangalore was committing fraud on buyers. Unfortunately, there are many places around the world that are either foolng you or unable to provide the service at the level it requires. Don't let your desire for something outweigh your critical thinking.
thanks. thats the next plan of action. waiting for a final update tomorrow. lets see
- Joined
- Sep 6, 2023
- Messages
- 275
- Location
- Texas
Have you removed the heads to drain residual oil? It sounds like you over filled it to begin with and now you're trying to level the oil capacity.
On a standard drain you should refill with 2.5ish quarts. About half of your oil capacity is the sump and other half sits higher in the engine with the drivetrain/cam system. That portion of oil is never drained during a standard oil change.
What I'm thinking, is you've put in 3-4 quarts of oil, in addition to the residual oil left in the drive train. So when you're full throttle at 1st and 2nd the cams are throwing the excess oil along with high crankcase pressure, the excess oil is being picked up by the cyclone separator and being sent back into the airbox.
Have you had any leaks from the large black bolts located at the head? There's one right by the ABS pump and the other is on the back left near rear suspension. You shouldn't have any oil leaking from there.
I suggest you drain the bike to the lowest min setting, no higher than the lower bar. Start the bike and step through 1st and 2nd gear at high rpm. That will throw the excess oil left in the drivetrain/cam system upward, and allow it to settle back in the sump. After that ride you should have a higher oil level at the indicator. Now you know the excess oil in the head cavity has emptied. The oil level should be in line/spec at the visual window. If it's too high, just drain out the excess. It may take a few times doing this to to balance out the oil between the sump and drivetrain
On a standard drain you should refill with 2.5ish quarts. About half of your oil capacity is the sump and other half sits higher in the engine with the drivetrain/cam system. That portion of oil is never drained during a standard oil change.
What I'm thinking, is you've put in 3-4 quarts of oil, in addition to the residual oil left in the drive train. So when you're full throttle at 1st and 2nd the cams are throwing the excess oil along with high crankcase pressure, the excess oil is being picked up by the cyclone separator and being sent back into the airbox.
Have you had any leaks from the large black bolts located at the head? There's one right by the ABS pump and the other is on the back left near rear suspension. You shouldn't have any oil leaking from there.
I suggest you drain the bike to the lowest min setting, no higher than the lower bar. Start the bike and step through 1st and 2nd gear at high rpm. That will throw the excess oil left in the drivetrain/cam system upward, and allow it to settle back in the sump. After that ride you should have a higher oil level at the indicator. Now you know the excess oil in the head cavity has emptied. The oil level should be in line/spec at the visual window. If it's too high, just drain out the excess. It may take a few times doing this to to balance out the oil between the sump and drivetrain
Yes. This test was performed. Oil was fully drained from every hose and engine and refilled till minimum and riden again to see if it leaks. Their tests showed that the engine is having more blow by than expected, or the airbox was not properly sealed. I am getting the bike today in the next 4 hours and will take it to a nearby track for a test ride. I feel this might be a poor QC or a worn out piaton ring. In both cases, a new engine will be required or rebuilding will be needed
- Joined
- Sep 6, 2023
- Messages
- 275
- Location
- Texas
You'd have more dirt/dust in the intake assembly if the airbox was not fully sealed. It would also need to be fully seated against the lower half of the airbox where the variable intake bolts down to. But you've only got excess oil, not dirt etc in the airbox.
If your airbox is 100%, it would be the piston ring. The only other path for oil to be there is overfilling and cyclone serpator blowby. If you've opened the head, you could verify piston diameters. Those diameters can be matched the the V4R maintenance manual.
Do you have a magnetic plug? On your first oil change, did you have some shavings etc as expected? Or did you have large slivers or hair like pieces would indicate the piston wear?
If your airbox is 100%, it would be the piston ring. The only other path for oil to be there is overfilling and cyclone serpator blowby. If you've opened the head, you could verify piston diameters. Those diameters can be matched the the V4R maintenance manual.
Do you have a magnetic plug? On your first oil change, did you have some shavings etc as expected? Or did you have large slivers or hair like pieces would indicate the piston wear?
- Joined
- Nov 4, 2021
- Messages
- 277
- Location
- Gloucester, VA
FYI, I had a brand new bike that would smoke from right exhaust pipe when fully up to temp. After the normal back and forth trips with “can’t duplicate” the problem, I parked it in their front door and revved it until it started to smoke heavily from right exhaust. The dealer finally pulled the head/cylinders and found #4 had no oil ring at all. Factory just missed it(?). After oil ring installed and reassembled it was perfect for several years before big-bore kit install.
That is an unusual factory fault, but not impossible.
That is an unusual factory fault, but not impossible.
- Joined
- Sep 6, 2023
- Messages
- 275
- Location
- Texas
So are you using the new engine in these latest posts? Have you went on the 2nd ride?
Your first post is kind of confusing, because you said oil level dropped during your run, which could be expected as having oil that settles on top of the crankcase. That happened from high rpm and the lean angle.
So you stopped while the bike was hot and topped it off, as you mentioned in your first post. You've over filled the bike with oil at this point.
At any kind of "high rpm" regardless of the gear, the drivetrain/crankcase pressure will now throw this excess oil back into the cyclone separator. The way the crankcase breaths through the cyclone separator, its kind of like a snorkel. It's somewhat sealed but uses the same tube to vent and let air in. Think of trying to breath at the surface of water when the snorkel is parallel with the water surface. It sounds funny but with each breath, you would inhale water. Same concept for the engine.
If piston blow by was happening you'd have smoke in the exhaust from burned oil. But you have only oil in the airbox. Everything that's been mentioned points to overfilling the oil. Now the damn dealership - if you can't turn a wrench or fit engine parts yourself you probably shouldn't be riding a V4R - it's too technical of a bike to just point fingers at and say fix this, rider responsibility is expected.
Have you physically confirmed they opened the head for inspection? The dealer wanted you to keep it below 12k on the first 2 gears. They might of been lazy and not done so, telling you to keep the rpm low because they didn't want to deal with oil imbalance.
I was saying to run it above 12k through the first 2 gears, ride it high up into 4th to get the excess oil that you topped off with, off the cams and down into the sump.
But anyways that's on the old engine - what's up with this new engine and the rode you went for yesterday? Shouldn't have any oil issues now?
Your first post is kind of confusing, because you said oil level dropped during your run, which could be expected as having oil that settles on top of the crankcase. That happened from high rpm and the lean angle.
So you stopped while the bike was hot and topped it off, as you mentioned in your first post. You've over filled the bike with oil at this point.
At any kind of "high rpm" regardless of the gear, the drivetrain/crankcase pressure will now throw this excess oil back into the cyclone separator. The way the crankcase breaths through the cyclone separator, its kind of like a snorkel. It's somewhat sealed but uses the same tube to vent and let air in. Think of trying to breath at the surface of water when the snorkel is parallel with the water surface. It sounds funny but with each breath, you would inhale water. Same concept for the engine.
If piston blow by was happening you'd have smoke in the exhaust from burned oil. But you have only oil in the airbox. Everything that's been mentioned points to overfilling the oil. Now the damn dealership - if you can't turn a wrench or fit engine parts yourself you probably shouldn't be riding a V4R - it's too technical of a bike to just point fingers at and say fix this, rider responsibility is expected.
Have you physically confirmed they opened the head for inspection? The dealer wanted you to keep it below 12k on the first 2 gears. They might of been lazy and not done so, telling you to keep the rpm low because they didn't want to deal with oil imbalance.
I was saying to run it above 12k through the first 2 gears, ride it high up into 4th to get the excess oil that you topped off with, off the cams and down into the sump.
But anyways that's on the old engine - what's up with this new engine and the rode you went for yesterday? Shouldn't have any oil issues now?
Its not related to overfilling at all. I didnt fill the oil in middle of riding. I have read the entire manual as well as the workshop manual. I only fill oil when the bike is supercold by keeping it straight and then checking current oil level. Please read the full post. TLDR, tested the bike on track again today, all expenses incurred by DMH. They chexked several paramters and confirmed something is wrong with the engine, as there was a blowby for 65ml of oil and white smoke coming out from the exhaust. They said they will send this engine back to Italy and replace it under warranty. Unfortunately Ducati Italy doesnt like to tell you what went wrong. So wont know what got wrecked.
- Joined
- Mar 21, 2021
- Messages
- 1,296
- Location
- CH
Did Ducati come back to you yet?
Yep. One of their senior engineers came by, and confirmed multiple parts were faulty. They are replacing the engine again and the airbox + Cyclone seperator. Awaiting its ETA now.
- Joined
- Mar 21, 2021
- Messages
- 1,296
- Location
- CH
Nice ! Thats a result.
Similar threads
Register CTA
Register on Ducati Forum! This sidebar will go away, and you will see fewer ads.
Sign Up
