..... Thats a big QC issue. Wonder how they didnt see it during the asembly and error checks
Severe issues with 2023 Panigale V4R. Need help.
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So are you using the new engine in these latest posts? Have you went on the 2nd ride?
Your first post is kind of confusing, because you said oil level dropped during your run, which could be expected as having oil that settles on top of the crankcase. That happened from high rpm and the lean angle.
So you stopped while the bike was hot and topped it off, as you mentioned in your first post. You've over filled the bike with oil at this point.
At any kind of "high rpm" regardless of the gear, the drivetrain/crankcase pressure will now throw this excess oil back into the cyclone separator. The way the crankcase breaths through the cyclone separator, its kind of like a snorkel. It's somewhat sealed but uses the same tube to vent and let air in. Think of trying to breath at the surface of water when the snorkel is parallel with the water surface. It sounds funny but with each breath, you would inhale water. Same concept for the engine.
If piston blow by was happening you'd have smoke in the exhaust from burned oil. But you have only oil in the airbox. Everything that's been mentioned points to overfilling the oil. Now the damn dealership - if you can't turn a wrench or fit engine parts yourself you probably shouldn't be riding a V4R - it's too technical of a bike to just point fingers at and say fix this, rider responsibility is expected.
Have you physically confirmed they opened the head for inspection? The dealer wanted you to keep it below 12k on the first 2 gears. They might of been lazy and not done so, telling you to keep the rpm low because they didn't want to deal with oil imbalance.
I was saying to run it above 12k through the first 2 gears, ride it high up into 4th to get the excess oil that you topped off with, off the cams and down into the sump.
But anyways that's on the old engine - what's up with this new engine and the rode you went for yesterday? Shouldn't have any oil issues now?
Your first post is kind of confusing, because you said oil level dropped during your run, which could be expected as having oil that settles on top of the crankcase. That happened from high rpm and the lean angle.
So you stopped while the bike was hot and topped it off, as you mentioned in your first post. You've over filled the bike with oil at this point.
At any kind of "high rpm" regardless of the gear, the drivetrain/crankcase pressure will now throw this excess oil back into the cyclone separator. The way the crankcase breaths through the cyclone separator, its kind of like a snorkel. It's somewhat sealed but uses the same tube to vent and let air in. Think of trying to breath at the surface of water when the snorkel is parallel with the water surface. It sounds funny but with each breath, you would inhale water. Same concept for the engine.
If piston blow by was happening you'd have smoke in the exhaust from burned oil. But you have only oil in the airbox. Everything that's been mentioned points to overfilling the oil. Now the damn dealership - if you can't turn a wrench or fit engine parts yourself you probably shouldn't be riding a V4R - it's too technical of a bike to just point fingers at and say fix this, rider responsibility is expected.
Have you physically confirmed they opened the head for inspection? The dealer wanted you to keep it below 12k on the first 2 gears. They might of been lazy and not done so, telling you to keep the rpm low because they didn't want to deal with oil imbalance.
I was saying to run it above 12k through the first 2 gears, ride it high up into 4th to get the excess oil that you topped off with, off the cams and down into the sump.
But anyways that's on the old engine - what's up with this new engine and the rode you went for yesterday? Shouldn't have any oil issues now?
Its not related to overfilling at all. I didnt fill the oil in middle of riding. I have read the entire manual as well as the workshop manual. I only fill oil when the bike is supercold by keeping it straight and then checking current oil level. Please read the full post. TLDR, tested the bike on track again today, all expenses incurred by DMH. They chexked several paramters and confirmed something is wrong with the engine, as there was a blowby for 65ml of oil and white smoke coming out from the exhaust. They said they will send this engine back to Italy and replace it under warranty. Unfortunately Ducati Italy doesnt like to tell you what went wrong. So wont know what got wrecked.
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Yep. One of their senior engineers came by, and confirmed multiple parts were faulty. They are replacing the engine again and the airbox + Cyclone seperator. Awaiting its ETA now.
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Haha. I had the same issue. Except did my own tear down, they forgot to tighten the front right ignition coil. Pain in the ... to get to.
Yeah. Ducati is hit or miss. It can be a great track bike if they have better QC.
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Every single time. Here's a picture from whe a mechanic who was Changing the seal for the oil pressure bolt (in front of sprocket, to adjust amount of oil going to your clutch plates) forgot to tighten it. Not sure how you check the pressure then forget tightening it, but it almost killed me on Easter 2022. First ride, it got a little squirmy, chalked it up as cold roads, next left turn, ... leaves the catches throwing me in the air. No idea how I saved it. Look behind me, green motul EVERYWHERE. It all happened pretty quick, landed looked behind shut down and coasted into an abondones house. I had to pay $600 for there mess up, even stopped payment and they fought it! Said me pulling the bolt out sealing up the threads then hand tightened it back on so it wouldn't leak in my ( then) horse trailer. Horses can't lick oil! They had my bike allll summer to get the tool to check oil pressure, from Ducati, then said I couldn't take my bike unless I payed for it. Complete ......... That about squashed my Ducati pride. But I stayed and now shame the dealer. MOTOHIO in Columbus ohio. So many riders around here hate that place. They broke the radiator fins that push down when you steer, which they said it Wil be fine and the steering locked up while I was riding, my bike came back missing washers and bolts EVERY SINGLE TIME. Then says to me " we all lose things working on our bikes in the garage. I know we put everything back" All I could think was, you have NO CLUE how meticulous I am. They also couldn't fix my S1K WHEN I had a hack engine light just like this guy. Ended up lemon lawing it. These dealers need help! They are not paying these mechanics enough. Just grabbing any foot who works on lawnmowers.
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Your bike is a hit or miss not Ducati.
Turn up at any major EU track, its overwhelmed by Ducatis
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Ducati QC is atrocious. My bike came with the wrong forks. That should never happen. Ducati wasn’t even concerned or apologetic. If that happened with a Japanese manufacturer, the entire team involved in the assembly of the bike would do seppuku
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Well, my BMW S1000RR 2019 came with leaking front brake calipers, how's that for a change ?
oh and on top, they had to replace an oil cooler as well.
luckily I didn't have ignition coil issues...but I saw many upset mates that had it on day 1 of 3 days event at Portimao
After all the things I've seen I decided not to sell my zx10r. Its full carbon stage 2 maxed out and was about to sell it but then decided to keep it looking at these issues.
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