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Sounds like you can catch the front tucking like Marquez. I’d impart some knowledge and experience over the 10+ years I’ve done track days but it’d be a waste of time. Seems you guys got this. Andy can fill in your gaps since he seems to be your 2 time track day champion
 
I’m not sure you understand what trail braking is based on your comments. I know that you know how to Google stuff, so I’d encourage you to do some research on it.

The two-time champion that was instructing was Troy Bayliss. Every other instructor I’ve had has said the same. I mentioned Freddy Spencer earlier - again, saying it’s safer. There are many, many others. No doubt your 10+ years of track-day experience trumps their knowledge. 🫣

The best at anything will all tell you that they are always learning and always open to things that are new to them - always looking to learn and improve. The rest already think they know it all, so they never learn a thing. Maybe you’d benefit from some coaching. 🤷‍♂️
 
I don’t think YOU understand what trail braking is… How many years have you done trackdays again? A year? Sounds like you’re more of poseur than anything if you think what you’re doing is trail braking.

Releasing braking force while tipping into the corner is NOT trail braking. Dragging the brake in the corner is NOT trail braking. Trail braking is deliberately maximizing and balancing braking forces with traction up to as close to the apex as possible. If you’re trail braking properly you’ll be feeling the front either trying to push you wide or tuck. Don’t need google to know that.
 
SuperDomestique said:
Sounds like you can catch the front tucking like Marquez. I’d impart some knowledge and experience over the 10+ years I’ve done track days but it’d be a waste of time. Seems you guys got this. Andy can fill in your gaps since he seems to be your 2 time track day champion
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That front tuck catching thing is best learned on dirtbikes. I lost the front on ridgeline (? near the angeles crest) a couple of years ago when I pulled my line in too rapidly to miss a skip squirrel. My mind said you're hosed but muscle memory said not today. Took a little paint off the edge of the rim.
 
That sequence where Marini (2022?) loses the front, pushes it up with his elbow, then his knee and saves it is stunning. Unfortunately, Marquez the younger runs into the back of him...
 
A good way to tell when you’re reaching the braking limit as you enter a corner is when the bike feels like it wants to stand up or push wide. After that it’s better to commit with the speed you have or stand the bike up and mow grass. That’s a free one.

And would totally agree, dirt bikes especially small ones are the best way to learn how to slide the front or rear. Less consequence for mistakes
 
SuperDomestique said:
I don’t think YOU understand what trail braking is… How many years have you done trackdays again? A year? Sounds like you’re more of poseur than anything if you think what you’re doing is trail braking.

Releasing braking force while tipping into the corner is NOT trail braking. Dragging the brake in the corner is NOT trail braking. Trail braking is deliberately maximizing and balancing braking forces with traction up to as close to the apex as possible. If you’re trail braking properly you’ll be feeling the front either trying to push you wide or tuck. Don’t need google to know that.
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There’s that Napeleon complex showing its ugly face again. :rolleyes:

I simply listen to people who know what they are talking about and try to learn from them. Probably you think you could teach them a thing or two as you clearly know more than they do. 🫣

My experience has zero relevance - I’m simply stating things that have been clearly stated by many top riders. You think you know better. :rolleyes:
 
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SuperDomestique said:
A good way to tell when you’re reaching the braking limit as you enter a corner is when the bike feels like it wants to stand up or push wide. After that it’s better to commit with the speed you have or stand the bike up and mow grass. That’s a free one.

And would totally agree, dirt bikes especially small ones are the best way to learn how to slide the front or rear. Less consequence for mistakes
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My experience is if the bike wants to stand up on the brakes it's a tire carcass thing. I'm very sensitive to front push as in I don't like to crash. That always defines my set up. I want the front loaded. It allows more feedback into the palms and the front doesn't tuck as suddenly. Wider difference between loose and crash MPH wise is really useful.
 
baggerman said:
My experience is if the bike wants to stand up on the brakes it's a tire carcass thing. I'm very sensitive to front push as in I don't like to crash. That always defines my set up. I want the front loaded. It allows more feedback into the palms and the front doesn't tuck as suddenly. Wider difference between loose and crash MPH wise is really useful.
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Almost like trail braking is safer…
 
baggerman said:
I don't trail in on the street, nor do I ever intend to get my knee down. Trail braking and the ability to pull the bike onto my knee is the envelope.
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I didn’t mention street riding - although the same principles apply, I never want to be going that fast. I’m not sure why you brought up street riding as I didn’t think we were talking about that.

I was saying that trail braking is safer as it keeps the front loaded, greater contact patch, etc. I thought it was commonly accepted these days, hence I was surprised to see someone talking about getting all of your braking done before the turn on track.

I have fairly minimal interest in street riding and I use a much slower bike for that. My primary interest when riding on the street is getting back home safely.
 

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