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Phl said:
Jarel, I told him I was wondering the same, since Bmw doesn't have the same level ($) of enthusiasts... It's going to be limited and not that cheap. And it won't reach the SL weight wise.

That's all I know.
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That makes sense, it won't surprise me at all if BMW tries to capitalize on the "LIMITED" bike market with some kind of additional special model beyond the HP4. But it won't be $65,000, and it won't be what the SL is. What could it be, really? It has a little more power and is a little lighter and has a fancy/different paint scheme? Probably. Especially when the "special" features of the HP4 become standard equipment on a variety of sport bikes on the market, there's not much left to "wow" the market with that BMW can release. I'm giving BMW all the credit in the world for knowing how to use the motorcycle press and creative financing to sell bikes. I can't remember a single "comparison" article that came out in 2010 that the S1000RR didn't win. Well, other than Sport Rider, I'm sure the Gixxer 750 won that one! Ha ha!
 
Looks don't win races or make it faster..but...has anyone seen someone look at an HP4 for more than 10 seconds and not move on. At the dealership in Edmonton, the Ducati and BMW floors are side by side and join each other.Can't count how many times I've been in there..and I make a point to look...and the Ducati side always has people checking them out and looking very passionately..and not once..not once have I seen any type of interest or gawking at the S1000RR. Doesn't mean it hasn't happened..but I'm yet to see it. Your bike looking nice and having beautiful lines is a piece of the puzzle for that feeling inside that gets your mojo goin. I don't care if the BMW had 250hp..it's haneously ugly and has zero...zero charisma. A Ducati will always stand out...the BMW won't get a second look outside of the small few that may have a slight appreciation for the HP4. I'm sure it's a great bike and I was real close a few times to buying one...but I have to get a visual experience and each time I walked away cause it has zero character. Anyhow..arguements can be made both ways on whether that matters..fair enough...but at the end of the day..if the BMW was that great and that fast...what have they got to show for it in the racing circles if it's that much quicker. That's what i thought...........
 
I'm always one to take the underdog position, so in this case I'll push back for the BMW side. The S1000RR/HP4 went from zero to ~26% market share of the 1000 cc+ sport bike market in 2 years. In business terms this is an insane win that speaks for itself.

Simply put, the S1000RR/HP4 has won the overwhelming majority of shootout comparisons against any other bike in the last 4.5 years on the market and moved the performance bar up several notches. Not just track performance, but street performance where it is consistently judged as one of the most comfortable and capable street bikes made. As much as many like to call their bikes "racebikes" on here, that couldn't be further from the truth. They are streetbikes and a shitload has to be done to make them bonafide race bikes - even in FIM Superstock trim.

Both poseurs and racer heroes alike buy the S1000RR/HP4 because of the aforementioned comparison wins, the highest stock (and modified) HP numbers, the apparent "ease" with which one can go relatively fast on it (track and street), the bargain it is (against 1199's of all persuasions), and yes, the looks. I personally don't think it looks bad, even the front.

I've ridden several S1000RRs, and I've enjoyed them. The quickshifter/transmission combination put the 1199 to shame, in particular. The power is like a rheostat in how linear it is, no bumps/dips or other weirdness to get used to or work around, and it revs to the moon. I still prefer the "challenge" of riding my 1199 well and will stick with it, however I wouldn't mind at all having an S1000RR if the coin had flipped the other way.

Doesn't mean that mark419ny isn't being a troll with his recent threads on here, but I like the S1000RR/HP4 just the same.
 
JeffD said:
I'm always one to take the underdog position, so in this case I'll push back for the BMW side. The S1000RR/HP4 went from zero to ~26% market share of the 1000 cc+ sport bike market in 2 years. In business terms this is an insane win that speaks for itself.

Simply put, the S1000RR/HP4 has won the overwhelming majority of shootout comparisons against any other bike in the last 4.5 years on the market and moved the performance bar up several notches. Not just track performance, but street performance where it is consistently judged as one of the most comfortable and capable street bikes made. As much as many like to call their bikes "racebikes" on here, that couldn't be further from the truth. They are streetbikes and a shitload has to be done to make them bonafide race bikes - even in FIM Superstock trim.

Both poseurs and racer heroes alike buy the S1000RR/HP4 because of the aforementioned comparison wins, the highest stock (and modified) HP numbers, the apparent "ease" with which one can go relatively fast on it (track and street), the bargain it is (against 1199's of all persuasions), and yes, the looks. I personally don't think it looks bad, even the front.

I've ridden several S1000RRs, and I've enjoyed them. The quickshifter/transmission combination put the 1199 to shame, in particular. The power is like a rheostat in how linear it is, no bumps/dips or other weirdness to get used to or work around, and it revs to the moon. I still prefer the "challenge" of riding my 1199 well and will stick with it, however I wouldn't mind at all having an S1000RR if the coin had flipped the other way.

Doesn't mean that mark419ny isn't being a troll with his recent threads on here, but I like the S1000RR/HP4 just the same.
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I've must have said this like 1 million times with different wording...lol

I really hope they do start making a "limited" market for bikes like Ducati does. Anything close to the SL (which is soooo freaking amazing that it literally blows me away everytime I ride it) is a huge win for all of us.

All the super spec stuff they put on these bikes will water down the base bikes in a year or two and will just continue to make these bikes even better than they are now....

After doing a full track day on my SL and having done ones on my HP4, I cannot wait to see what they come out with next.

I'm excited to see what the H2 is & the new s1000RR... Hopefully Honda will do something too and it will push Ducati to keep pushing the limits.

What a great time to be into bikes..... The last five years have been nuts, I cannot see what the next 5 years are going to be like.

The more bikes the better!
 
JeffD said:
I'm always one to take the underdog position, so in this case I'll push back for the BMW side. The S1000RR/HP4 went from zero to ~26% market share of the 1000 cc+ sport bike market in 2 years. In business terms this is an insane win that speaks for itself.
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TRUTH - BMW instituted a pseudo-leasing program called 3ASY RIDE which is essentially a balloon payment financing program resulting in very low monthly payments for a high-dollar bike. From the mouths of several BMW/Ducati dealer friends of mine, that has resulted in roughly a 90% INCREASE in S1000RR sales and a drop in their 1199 sales for the dealers who carry both. $199/mo for an S1000RR or $400/mo for an 1199. Pay cash, good for you, but most buyers can't and that financing offer is GOLD for BMW, I will expect Ducati to be jumping into that balloon payment financing market at some point in the future as well, it's the wave of the future.
 
jarelj said:
TRUTH - BMW instituted a pseudo-leasing program called 3ASY RIDE which is essentially a balloon payment financing program resulting in very low monthly payments for a high-dollar bike. From the mouths of several BMW/Ducati dealer friends of mine, that has resulted in roughly a 90% INCREASE in S1000RR sales and a drop in their 1199 sales for the dealers who carry both. $199/mo for an S1000RR or $400/mo for an 1199. Pay cash, good for you, but most buyers can't and that financing offer is GOLD for BMW, I will expect Ducati to be jumping into that balloon payment financing market at some point in the future as well, it's the wave of the future.
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yep, the fineprint is where the details are. nice trap with low $$$ at first sight... and then at the end :eek:
 
Phl said:
yep, the fineprint is where the details are. nice trap with low $$$ at first sight... and then at the end :eek:
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It's really not bad, it's essentially like a lease where your payments are paying for the depreciation of the vehicle only, and there is a defined residual value at the end. At the end you decide to either buy it and refinance the residual value (or write a check for it), or trade it in on a new one (What BMW is obviously hoping you'll do...). I see people all the time buying new bikes with conventional financing and then trading them in a few years down the road, and in that scenario there's really not much difference in where they're at as far as cost of ownership at the end of the 3 years vs. using a baloon payment option like that BMW program. The person with a conventional loan just has more equity in the bike but they paid for that equity via a larger monthly payment over the 3 years. The only "downside" I see to it is that you're forced to do something at the end of the term, and some people could get caught out by that in certain cases. Overall I think it's a good program, I wish we had it for Ducati, since it would help some people make a more comfortable purchase rather than "stretching" their monthly outlays.
 
Good points Jarel, although I will say that even though the 3asy program makes BMW ownership more affordable than traditional financing (assuming the buyer has sufficient creditworthiness to qualify), you don't get 26% market share within 3 years by not having a desirable motorcycle...
 
JeffD said:
Good points Jarel, although I will say that even though the 3asy program makes BMW ownership more affordable than traditional financing (assuming the buyer has sufficient creditworthiness to qualify), you don't get 26% market share within 3 years by not having a desirable motorcycle...
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We're at 12% of large sportbike market for Ducati in our local market, and we're about average for Ducati nationally. BMW is at 3% here. Where are all those S1000RR's being sold?
 
jarelj said:
We're at 12% of large sportbike market for Ducati in our local market, and we're about average for Ducati nationally. BMW is at 3% here. Where are all those S1000RR's being sold?
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Dallas??... It seems they're everywhere here.....:cool:
 
Stw said:
Dallas??... It seems they're everywhere here.....:cool:
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Must be! I think I've built a protective "shield" around our market to keep them out, but they must be selling in big numbers somewhere if they unloaded almost 10k of them in the U.S. last year.
 
jarelj said:
Must be! I think I've built a protective "shield" around our market to keep them out, but they must be selling in big numbers somewhere if they unloaded almost 10k of them in the U.S. last year.
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Starting to notice alot of them at the track, they probably double the number of 1199's I see along with plenty of hp's
 
jarelj said:
BMW is at 3% here. Where are all those S1000RR's being sold?
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Philadelphia and the surrounding area. I only see R1's and BMW's here. Its literally 1 duc for every 30-40 square miles it feels like.
 
ScrapperX said:
Come on guys haven't you guys figured out Mark likes to ruffle your feathers?



I rode the BMW HP4 many of times and it is blazing fast in a straight line. The engine is that powerful we all know its secret is due to the lighter crank and gearing ratios. I'm not sure if there is a liter bike up to a 1000cc straight out of the crate could beat it in a straight line without engine mods. I test rode the Panigale and BMW back to back prior to making the purchase. I notice the BMW had quicker acceleration from the get go but to me the Ducati handled and brake way better through the canyons felt less top heavy so I bought the Ducati over the BMW i didnt care about the 2 tenths of a second. Don't get me wrong the BMW is a great bike in every category and you don't feel the things I just mentioned unless you rode one after another.



BTW Mark, my old 2000 pristine, unmodded, unrestricted Busa eats it for breakfast, lunch and dinner everyday any day at 1/2 the cost of the HP4 and my Base Pani with my engine mods will eat eat for lunch for less cost than HP4 comp so there buddy :D
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Sorry, but your Gen 1 will not eat a HP4. Come on now! That Busa is huge and only about 165 hp at the wheel. Never going to happen. Now Gen 2 with some tweaks, that might be a different story.
 
o n im in the philly area b9009b.....was one of the first to rep ducs in the area 11 years ago....they are becoming more common now
 
found a pic of the "super HP4"

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LOL ;)
 

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