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Paul G said:
I guess 622,000 dead people would have an opinion on that if they were still alive. You have illustrated the main point, it's not about healthy rugged individualist you, it's about the other person who is more vulnerable like say grandma or some immune compromised person that an unvaccinated person is far more likely to spread it too. So the question is; does personal freedom outweigh civic responsibility?

As for invermectin in India, its ........
healthfeedback.org

No data available to suggest a link between India’s reduction of COVID-19 cases and the use of ivermectin

India experienced a decrease in the number of COVID-19 cases in May 2021. However, no data is available to support the claim that this is causally associated with the recommendation to use ivermectin. The slow down of the disease spreading began before India released official recommendations to...
healthfeedback.org healthfeedback.org

That was in May, since then they have dropped the quackery

www.indiatoday.in

DGHS drops Ivermectin, Doxycycline from Covid-19 treatment; ICMR rules unchanged

The revised guidelines have also dropped drugs such as hydroxychloroquine, ivermectin, doxycycline, zinc and multivitamins, that were earlier prescribed by doctors to treat asymptomatic or mildly symptomatic Covid-19 patients.
www.indiatoday.in www.indiatoday.in
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Would it not be up the the individual with the compromised immune system to ensure thier own health? why is it mine? The stab has proven to not stop the spread of the disease, so why do i need to take a shot if i feel i am fine without it?
 
MaverickiB said:
Posting articles making fun of dead people and adding a "gotcha" on there doesn't do anything but convince the people you're trying to demoralize that you're the one barely hanging in there.
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I've always felt poorly about articles wherein the content is someone who was anti vax dies after contracting covid. Never mentioned are the many hundreds of thousands who weren't vaccinated that recovered normally. That statistic is largely left out of any conversation about covid. But here is this one guy who has a position different then whatever media outlet takes, that person died. It would be garish and tacky to do the same about any other thing, motorcycle helmets, seatbelts etc.
 
Fellas, all valid points. I’m, as evident through my tiresome rants, unvaccinated (had Covid, relatively no symptoms). That being said, I’m not opposed to getting a vaccine. I don’t have a position either way. Why I continue to be unvaccinated is that to date, given the dynamics of what the vaccine does and doesn’t do, no one can give me a good reason why I should get one.

It doesn’t prevent me from getting Covid again. If I do get it, it doesn’t prevent me from passing it and the predictable outcome for mitigating effects of Covid are a guess and possibly now moot with the variants. Lastly, seems my immune system did a decent job and I show no autoimmunity anomalies. I have no idea if there would be any complications from the vac.

So given the data above, is there any Pro Vac individual here who can make a valid, un biased recommendation as to why a person with my Covid dossier should get the shot? Like I said, I’m not at all pro or con for the vac if it confers positive benefits and has a relatively benign risk profile. Let’s hear it.
 
Weak AF. Click bait trash bro.

Of course most people on ventilators die. If you got to the point you needed a ventilator, you were in a REALLY bad place to start. The overwhelming majority recover.

Some ..... draws a dumb line in the sand and claims ventilators are killing people. That does nothing for what over 99% of covid patients will experience.
 
What I want to see is more depth in data behind the statistics. We know that the general death age of covid is slightly under the median life expectancy.
But there is the hard data on weight, smoking alcohol/drug abuse??? Not just medical comorbidities but also how healthy a person was in the first place?
But hey, they’d fudge those numbers too…

 
Come on man.

We all know living a healthy life doesn't help with strengthening your immune system which in turn can help fight off diseases and viruses. That's just fake news. That girl is as healthy as a kid I've ever seen.
 
bp_SFV4 said:
Weak AF. Click bait trash bro.

Of course most people on ventilators die. If you got to the point you needed a ventilator, you were in a REALLY bad place to start. The overwhelming majority recover.

Some ..... draws a dumb line in the sand and claims ventilators are killing people. That does nothing for what over 99% of covid patients will experience.
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I think the "ventilators are killing people" mindset comes from early COVID days when the virus wasn't well understood. A good number of early fatalities were in part caused by placing people on ventilators way too early. The process puts massive stress on your body, which in turn makes it less capable of fighting disease. We simply didn't understand the virus, so the knee jerk reaction when someone's blood oxygen levels dipped was to throw them on a ventilator. There's really no way to measure it, but deaths drastically dropped off once hospitals were told to hold off on putting people on ventilators and see if the blood oxygen levels recover (which they usually do, since COVID seems to cause periodic dips and whatnot).

Nowadays, you are correct. If you're getting put on a ventilator, you likely need it to survive. That just wasn't the case early on, so some people associate ventilators with higher fatality risk due to those early mistakes.
 
I very sure that the data behind oxygen levels in ones blood are very well worked out by now and in 2020 when we were in the first wave of the BS.

I very want to see more stats on the people who dies. Comorbidity factors, age, etc.

All of this .... has become a self licking and replenishing ice cream cone for the media.
 
It was designed to help get rid of lice and parasites….not viral infections…..the rather poor studies on it… against Covid are bad. But hey, if you want to do what Tucker Carlson tells you to do…then go take as much of it as you want. And it IS horse deworming medicine….now go take your Tide Pod.
 
Ignorance at its finest on display

Number of countries have had great success with ivermectin with the proper dosage. Majority of the issues are due to overdose, not because it's ineffective.
 
double0 said:
Ignorance at its finest on display

Number of countries have had great success with ivermectin with the proper dosage. Majority of the issues are due to overdose, not because it's ineffective.
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Would love to know which countries that might be?
 
Used very inexpensive Ivermectin killing the virus instead of shots:
* India, with 1.3 BILLION people living densely populated cities. Pandemic OVER.
We already reviewed this several times.
* Slovakia - Pandemic OVER.
* Ceck Republic - Pandemic OVER.

Using expensive shots that do not kill the virus:
* Israel 78% vax'ed - MUCH WORSE AFTER COVID SHOTS.
* USA >50% vax'ed - still ......, getting more ......

Let me know if the charts are confusing somehow. These are current covid cases anyone can look up the stats right here:
www.worldometers.info

Israel COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer

Israel Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.
www.worldometers.info www.worldometers.info

How is this not blindingly obvious?
You can look up real info on Ivermectin. FDA approved for humans in 1996. Over 4 billion doses administered to humans BEFORE the pandemic over decades. Little to no side effects. The WHO calls it one of the worlds most essential drugs which is an official list btw - puts it up there with penicillin and aspirin.
We went over this like 3 times in this thread.
India used Ivermectin also as a preventative. It's that safe.


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Seismic said:
Would love to know which countries that might be?
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