1199r Race-bike to be replaced or sold as stock

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endodoc said:
Are you really going to tell us that if I field 10 bikes and you field 2 bikes that the mathematical odds of me placing higher in a constructors championship aren’t there?
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To a point sure. If those 10 bikes are Yamaha, they wouldn't be leading the constructors championship. If they aren't competitive then they aren't going to get the points. There's 4 Yamaha total, which are ranked 1, 19, 20 and 22. Quartararo is carrying that brand.
 
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I guess we will wait till the end of the year and see what happens. If Fabio waxes the entire Ducati armada, someone needs to step down
 
there's a reason why i raced a clapped out SV650 while the 1199 was sitting at home. at the end of my club racing career, i gave the 1199 a shot and was like - heck no ...
 
So a question I have been meaning to all the track guys is, how hard are you pushing these bikes? If I were building a track specific bike it would be built with the intention of crashing it. I know me and I know the last effort isn’t going to be good enough next time and I’m going to fall at some point. Is there a cost per risk scale you guys factor? Sorry, I’ll track 100k bike no problem but it’s going to look like a Sunday cruise. I don’t see anyone (except for Karl) binning expensive hardware. Is there just a calculated acceptable level of performance (good enough) for guys riding the pricey stuff?
 
endodoc said:
So a question I have been meaning to all the track guys is, how hard are you pushing these bikes? If I were building a track specific bike it would be built with the intention of crashing it. I know me and I know the last effort isn’t going to be good enough next time and I’m going to fall at some point. Is there a cost per risk scale you guys factor? Sorry, I’ll track 100k bike no problem but it’s going to look like a Sunday cruise. I don’t see anyone (except for Karl) binning expensive hardware. Is there just a calculated acceptable level of performance (good enough) for guys riding the pricey stuff?
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Calculated risk. I push hard enough to feel challenged, and like I’m at least scratching the surface of the bike’s performance envelope while being at least self-aware enough to not ride WAY over my head.

Having said that, I ride hard enough to push the front occasionally on entry and slide the rear occasionally on exit, and I crashed the R with the sbk forks last year - unsure why because I bumped my head (so I don’t remember the moments just before or after impact), and we weren’t running a data logger. Try to learn something, fix it, send it again. :)

Maybe @KarlKani @RODOLFO and @TomFoolery will chime in. They’re all faster than me and ride relatively expensive bikes.
 
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Nice write up Craig. So simple question, if you didn’t have to pay for top shelf parts and the bike was supported and maintained for free would that change your level of commitment from a progressive perspective?
 
CSV4 said:
that seems to me to be the greater risk than damaging the bike...
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Agreed. As I suspect most of us here are, I’m aware of this risk associated with motorcycle accidents and exercise a what I consider a reasonable amount of caution.
 
endodoc said:
Nice write up Craig. So simple question, if you didn’t have to pay for top shelf parts and the bike was supported and maintained for free would that change your level of commitment from a progressive perspective?
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Probably a little, but like @CSV4 said, concern for injury is as motivating as concern for replacement costs - maybe more (especially as I age). ;)
 
endodoc said:
So simple question, if you didn’t have to pay for top shelf parts and the bike was supported and maintained for free would that change your level of commitment from a progressive perspective?
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How could it not? That's getting to the difference between a professional rider and an amateur rider. I'd almost so there's a performance and progression expectation at the person/company who is paying for it.
 
1299rFE said:
After having endless issues with the motorcycle as a race bike I have came to the conclusion of retiring my 1199r as my race bike.
This has been a tough decision to make but i can no longer use my 1199r as my main race bike.

I have thought of returning the bike back to its stock form, and selling it.
It has low miles (3500) - is a 2015. _

I am moving onto a more affordable more reliable platform where data, parts, knowledge are more easily accessed.
I have decided to move to a GSXR-600.

I will be running the 1199r this weekend and then retiring the machine.
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Congrats on the move - regardless of what people say or think any new start is a fun one. Why are you going down to super sport?

In regard to the R - put it back to stock and sell the parts then the stocker. Best ROI
 
bp_SFV4 said:
How could it not? That's getting to the difference between a professional rider and an amateur rider. I'd almost so there's a performance and progression expectation at the person/company who is paying for it.
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Rhetorical question so my point again if your goal is to develop as a rider to your fullest ability I would think the trepidation factor of high siding 60k might be a hindrance to that goal. Additionally, I would think the rider who builds their tenure without rider aids then Layers those aids in as the progression warrants would have an advantage from a fundamental perspective. Don’t know, just asking.
 
I know, just conversing here. No doubt the financial cost of throwing a $30k bike into a gravel trap is a consideration. I fully intend to ride it like I have to pay to fix it. In reality, you take the risk of a loss more on the street but there's insurance, which is why I started that thread about track day insurance. With that, I'm not looking for medical bill coverage as much as to cover the bike in case of a major mishap.
 
I had a few falls on track with the twin, nothing major just the normal lowsides but all fixable, been through a few plastics, rearsets, clip ons, engine covers etc. there is a difference between taking your pride and joy street bike onto track for a fun day out versus thinking that you are racing. Nobody wins a track day!
 
I always ride well below my limit

and My priority is taking care of myself and other riders

Followed by taking care of my bike

So I ride the same in an R6 Than the V4

About the bike, it depends on we’re you are at this point

some people track ferraris (Craig)

some people track porsches (the rest of us)

and some people track prepped out bmw

everyone is fast, and everyone gets depress if they trash their bike

So you just have to know were are you at this stage

Sometimes I just want to get an R1 for trackbike, then i see the v4 and see the ducati atmosphere at cota, see Craig’s bike, and you just want more and more.

there is riding a bmw or R1 fast, and there is riding a panigale fast

it is 2 different things, 2 diferent games

you just have to choose, what you wanna play
 
There is a certain smell which is a mixture of gasoline, exhaust fumes, hot rubber which is really addictive :)

Main thing is that no one wins a track day, heres a pic of a bike at a recent event, a new bike and the guy was fast. Problem was he was following super fast rider and Mr Aprilia did not have the same late braking ability. The bike is pretty much parts, everything was .......

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There is an old rule I stick with for tracking and racing bikes:
Don’t bring bike to the track which you are not okay leaving in the trash bin in the end of the day!
.... happen and sometimes beyond your control. I am (I’m sure everyone else) more focused on going back home in one piece than worried about the bike. 30k or 3k it can be fixed, life is one ride what your heart wants and what your wallet can support!
 

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