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2023 V4R // 2023 SEASON
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Very cool, and…I have that same Spyder handlebar placement bracket
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I'm very interested to see these installed as well as how you are going about installing the Aim stuff on your bike as well. I am running a solo 2 dl currently and was looking at adding some more of their data acquisition pieces so it would be awesome to see how you go about it.
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Pretty sure aim should be plug and play, but most difficult bit is to drill (or find a bracket) for mounting holes on forks and rear shock.
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Forks will need bracket at the bottom. Shock comes tapped for pot. Aim is mostly plug and ply, but you do have to correctly enter pot info in the software as well as make sure that all other setting are correct for this setup (in software). Biggest thing is getting new brake lines for brake pressure sensors.
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Couldn't aim just get brake pressure from the CANBus?
They do get brake pressure that way on ABS bikes.
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No abs on race bikes
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Karl did you put a tape on rims to prevent tire moving under acceleration?
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Most difficult thing will be the analysis of this data
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My rears have been ground on the inside to create texture so the tire doesn't slip.
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Won’t you have a clearance problem for the pot to the rear shock? Doesn’t the top shock mount get in the way..,
I think if just barely clears the PL collar it should be ok at the top if not a simple bracket should work, the space on the bottom is quite tight tho also - we will see.
Are you saying analysing the data will be difficult for some reason or that fitting the hardware will be easy? Either way, based on what?
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Interpretation of data and properly using that data IMO is more difficult and nuanced than installing components.
Installing components is pretty cut and dry. Either it fits or it doesn’t (and then you make modifications to make it fit and sometimes it even with that extra work doesn’t fit).
Analyzing data is much more involved and can lead your down the right path or easily astray. Just have to either know your stuff and have experience or know someone with that experience. Also, not saying it can’t be done, rather just saying it takes a lot of learning and trial and error. Basically, when it comes down to interpreting things quantitatively mixing it with qualitative feelings it can get messy.
I’m basing this on critical thinking and common sense and years of being in the research field. And from my own experience setting up suspensions on my old bikes with help from other experts. In fact, the more I futzed around with them the more I realized don’t fix what not broken and just enjoy the bike instead of futzing with it. I enjoy the riding part over the wrenching and ogling over race parts. I guess I’ve just grown up and don’t like to play motorcycle racer (not saying anyone who’s RACING is playing, rather insinuating that people mistake TRACKDAYS for RACING)
I’d say it depends how deep you dive into it.
Potentiometers would presumably quite clearly show you how much travel your suspension’s using and that would make setup less about feel and guesswork.
Other data should be quite simple to analyse, such as when and how much brake you use, where you are coming off the brakes, where you are getting on the gas and how much throttle is being used, etc.
Personally, I think using data is very useful. I’d rely on data rather than feelings - it shows what’s really happening and you can use that to improve, rather than relying on what you feel is happening, which is very often not what is actually happening. Every day should be a school day and I’ll take facts over feelings any day.
Potentiometers would presumably quite clearly show you how much travel your suspension’s using and that would make setup less about feel and guesswork.
Other data should be quite simple to analyse, such as when and how much brake you use, where you are coming off the brakes, where you are getting on the gas and how much throttle is being used, etc.
Personally, I think using data is very useful. I’d rely on data rather than feelings - it shows what’s really happening and you can use that to improve, rather than relying on what you feel is happening, which is very often not what is actually happening. Every day should be a school day and I’ll take facts over feelings any day.
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And what are YOU basing this on?
Seriously? You do consistently find a way to take comments personally.
I don’t think there are many sports now where data isn’t used to improve an athlete’s performance and it’s entirely logical to state that having real data rather than relying on feelings can be rather useful. That same methodology can be used at any level of ability (even something as simple as a video showing what you are actually doing on the bike can be useful data to reinforce an instructor telling you what you are doing wrong - seeing is believing). I’m stating the obvious of course, but you did ask…
I’ve also seen the difference having data makes to tuition and development in a sport that I used to be professionally involved in. Video was a game changer for instruction and now launch monitors are commonplace. The limited data from DDA has been very useful and I’d like more, hence looking into different systems.
I’m not sure how you can disagree with this but I’m sure you’ll find a way.
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No… I think we do agree on this topic
So your opinion on this matter is based on experience in other fields and common sense and translating that to this scenario? Same as me. I think it’s asinine that you questioned what I’m was basing this on bc we’re all in the same boat unless your an electronics or suspension engineer (or have practical experience as some may say).I’m not saying this is rocket science either. Rather data is only as good as its interpretation. Obviously, if you have good interpretation then hopefully you’ll have good outcomes but that’s not guaranteed. Rider’s feelings probably contribute more to fast lap times than the quantitative data. You can have a technically optimized setup but if the rider isn’t confident in it, it doesn’t mean ...... Just look at Digi from this year. He was basing his setup on Martinez and Bagnaia for most of the season and he was having trouble. But once he went to his own set up, he started winning.
For RACING, having this data makes sense. For TRACKDAY RIDING, it’s overkill and will more likely get you lost than headed in the right direction.
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