22 V4 BASE REAR SHOCK

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RODOLFO said:
What is the height of stock shock, rick?
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I have seen all your videos Rick but I don't have that rideheight tool. I don't think your setting are a bag of .... :) because your a faster rider than me (SPA 7s) and the bike must be giving confidence.
The only thing I'm wondering about is that you are one of the only guys who is going down in shocklenght (307mm) where most guys go up (+312) to get better/quicker handling.
Gives this a better feeling in the front or the rear for you? But maybe like you say it depands on the gearing and the excentric. I ride the standard gearing or in the rear +1 depending on circuit.
 
RickD996 said:
Up! My forks are flush with the top yoke, plus 10mm preload.
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Your front should feel absolutely planted

Will try to go a bit down on the rear, when I get my rear shock.


I know the OEM shock is non adjustable, but will reducing a bit of preload have slight lowering effect?
 
RODOLFO said:
Your front should feel absolutely planted

Will try to go a bit down on the rear, when I get my rear shock.


I know the OEM shock is non adjustable, but will reducing a bit of preload have slight lowering effect?
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Yes! 'Preload' is a bit of a misleading, or over simplifying, term, in my opinion. The biggest thing it will do, is adjust ride height, it won't change spring rate. So, take a ride height measurement, then wind off all your preload, see where you get to. Try going the other way too, to see how it works.
 
rikkie07 said:
I have seen all your videos Rick but I don't have that rideheight tool. I don't think your setting are a bag of .... :) because your a faster rider than me (SPA 7s) and the bike must be giving confidence.
The only thing I'm wondering about is that you are one of the only guys who is going down in shocklenght (307mm) where most guys go up (+312) to get better/quicker handling.
Gives this a better feeling in the front or the rear for you? But maybe like you say it depands on the gearing and the excentric. I ride the standard gearing or in the rear +1 depending on circuit.
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Rikkie, you've got to try it! Tbf, the bike works very well with lots of different settings. I think the counter rotating crank really helps, in this aspect.
It never fails to surprise me, how lowering the back, and lifting the front, help so many bikes.
Essentially, on corner exit, you have a lot more traction (shorter wheelbase also helps with this), meaning you can return to throttle sooner. And, on corner entry, a lot more potential weight transfer, to load the front, for increased front traction.
If the bike is 'on its nose', you'd think, it would turn quicker? But, as you lose stability on the brakes (as the bike pivots over the front axle, because the weight is higher at the back), the rear tends to pivot sideways around the front, making it harder to turn.
Off the brakes, adding throttle on corner exit, and the rear spins and slides, as it doesn't have enough weight on it. Add in a longer wheelbase, taking weight away from the rear, and corner exit becomes very tricky.

But, everyone is different, and rides differently, so you've got to try the different settings! And, even when you find an improvement, still keep trying out things, as the next click, or millimetre, may be even better.
 
rikkie07 said:
I have seen all your videos Rick but I don't have that rideheight tool. I don't think your setting are a bag of .... :) because your a faster rider than me (SPA 7s) and the bike must be giving confidence.
The only thing I'm wondering about is that you are one of the only guys who is going down in shocklenght (307mm) where most guys go up (+312) to get better/quicker handling.
Gives this a better feeling in the front or the rear for you? But maybe like you say it depands on the gearing and the excentric. I ride the standard gearing or in the rear +1 depending on circuit.
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Hey Rikkie, what d'you mean re 'SPA 7s'?
 
RickD996 said:
Hey Rikkie, what d'you mean re 'SPA 7s'?
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Hey Rick, I will certainly give it a try with the shock. I'm 7 sec. of your pace in Spa, I'm an 'old' guy (59) but still trying to improve and learn. Normally i'm always at the 6hours of Spa (as a visitor) but this year had some familyissues.
I have ridden it once a few years ago but now I stick to trackdays. Thanks for the info.
 
RickD996 said:
Rikkie, you've got to try it! Tbf, the bike works very well with lots of different settings. I think the counter rotating crank really helps, in this aspect.
It never fails to surprise me, how lowering the back, and lifting the front, help so many bikes.
Essentially, on corner exit, you have a lot more traction (shorter wheelbase also helps with this), meaning you can return to throttle sooner. And, on corner entry, a lot more potential weight transfer, to load the front, for increased front traction.
If the bike is 'on its nose', you'd think, it would turn quicker? But, as you lose stability on the brakes (as the bike pivots over the front axle, because the weight is higher at the back), the rear tends to pivot sideways around the front, making it harder to turn.
Off the brakes, adding throttle on corner exit, and the rear spins and slides, as it doesn't have enough weight on it. Add in a longer wheelbase, taking weight away from the rear, and corner exit becomes very tricky.

But, everyone is different, and rides differently, so you've got to try the different settings! And, even when you find an improvement, still keep trying out things, as the next click, or millimetre, may be even better.
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My 19 v4s was totally transformed by raising the front.

Thanks Rick
 
rikkie07 said:
Hey Rick, I will certainly give it a try with the shock. I'm 7 sec. of your pace in Spa, I'm an 'old' guy (59) but still trying to improve and learn. Normally i'm always at the 6hours of Spa (as a visitor) but this year had some familyissues.
I have ridden it once a few years ago but now I stick to trackdays. Thanks for the info.
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Seven seconds around Spa isn't much Rikkie 🤩
 
RickD996 said:
Seven seconds around Spa isn't much Rikkie 🤩
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For me it is :) can't get below 2'40, but we keep trying to improve, maybe next year. I have a new V4 base on order (now ride '19MY) that's why I'm so interested in your experience with the '22 MY.
 
rikkie07 said:
For me it is :) can't get below 2'40, but we keep trying to improve, maybe next year. I have a new V4 base on order (now ride '19MY) that's why I'm so interested in your experience with the '22 MY.
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You'll love the 22 bike. Far easier to ride, and faster. Probably worth at least one second, straight away.
 

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