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Steven31371 said:
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Man I just want an accurate lap timer at this point. Before I wanted data to look at, but after yesterday I realized that I’m thinking my way through each lap way too much, when I just stop thinking, keep my vision wide and eyes way down track, twist the throttle more, and use the brakes less, I go much faster. Too much thinking and analyzing for me has been holding me back.

Lean angle percentage? I used the edge of the tire, good enough indicator for me lol
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Fully agree.

What helps me tho is to see splits. Gives more motivation to push harder when in green
 
Steven31371 said:
I’m


Man I just want an accurate lap timer at this point. Before I wanted data to look at, but after yesterday I realized that I’m thinking my way through each lap way too much, when I just stop thinking, keep my vision wide and eyes way down track, twist the throttle more, and use the brakes less, I go much faster. Too much thinking and analyzing for me has been holding me back.

Lean angle percentage? I used the edge of the tire, good enough indicator for me lol
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I find data very useful. As an example, while working on body position I noted 5 degrees less lean angle yet a significantly faster lap time, which very clearly showed me the difference made by improving my body position (body position was all I was working on for that session and throttle had been kept to 90% maximum, top speed about 25kph lower). Rather than a much faster lap simply being a good lap, ‘things just came together’, etc, but not necessarily knowing why, the data allowed me to see exactly what difference the improved body position had made beyond just the lap time being better.

Having facts instead of feelings gives me confidence.

It was the same with golf - sufficient time paying attention to the flight of the ball and you can see what difference particular changes to the swing make, or determine what changes are needed to effect a particular change in ball flight, but it’s nowhere near as good as a launch monitor telling you exactly what difference to launch angle and spin rate a particular change makes.

I’m considering AIM primarily because I’m interested in the braking data - I want to see if I am actually trail braking in the way I think I am...

Some people get ‘paralysis by analysis’ but I find data extremely useful to show what’s working and to confirm if what I feel is happening is actually happening (what you feel isn’t always what’s real). I agree about vision and keeping it simple but I think having data can support that and work with it rather than being mutually exclusive.

Each to their own, but I think data is very useful if it’s used correctly.
 
panibadboy said:
right, I replied under assumption brake lines are direct and not going into ABS.
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I don’t think they provide braking data for non-ABS bikes without additional sensors.

If you want to fit additional sensors then there’s also the option of upgrading DDA to the Supersport version but then you’re still stuck with the Prosa software (I can get CSV output for data overlays but AIM just builds that in).
 
spooky said:
I don’t think they provide braking data for non-ABS bikes without additional sensors.

If you want to fit additional sensors then there’s also the option of upgrading DDA to the Supersport version but then you’re still stuck with the Prosa software (I can get CSV output for data overlays but AIM just builds that in).
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I guess you could also use i2m dash, it should support various sensor inputs?
 
For me that's circa £2000 or even £3500 for data analysis. With respect Spooky given your posted lap times for Brno....there is an awful lot of stuff to improve on, be made aware of, get proper coaching with, before you need to analyse data with such scrutiny. Of course the information is incredible and useful but I could see a proper rider analysis coach (not some ........ brake later get on the gas earlier crap) improving you in massive gulps of seconds over a three day event than worrying about or paying that much attention to did you brake at 10 bar or 8...
 
back to my its £3500 as you would want the camera too to overlay the information. that's an awful lot of 121 coaching.

Interestingly working with Porsche cars there is a track precision app you can download to your phone, tie it in to the PCM on the car and record a lap which overlays the data to the recording. Great bit of kit.....
 
here's a snap shot of what you can get from the app...

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andyb said:
For me that's circa £2000 or even £3500 for data analysis. With respect Spooky given your posted lap times for Brno....there is an awful lot of stuff to improve on, be made aware of, get proper coaching with, before you need to analyse data with such scrutiny. Of course the information is incredible and useful but I could see a proper rider analysis coach (not some ........ brake later get on the gas earlier crap) improving you in massive gulps of seconds over a three day event than worrying about or paying that much attention to did you brake at 10 bar or 8...
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Just over £2,600 inclusive of VAT for the full package.

If I only had that money available then I’d agree - training would be what I would be spending that on. I don’t need to make that choice - if I did then I’d agree with you.

Every time I go to the track I have training. Being told what you are doing and what you should be doing is invaluable. Having the trainer’s video so you can actually see the reality (you think you are hanging off in a certain way but see that you are not doing that) adds to the training. It’s a data point that shows reality, and reality often does not match feelings. Being told something is one thing but actually seeing it is another thing entirely. It also reinforces belief and confidence in what you are being taught.

Having the data I am talking about reinforces that and is useful. As I improve I expect it to be of greater value.

Regarding braking, and other data points, at this point I am more interested in general terms - rather than how much specific brake pressure I use I am more interested in how far into a corner I am actually applying the brakes to see if I am actually still applying braking pressure at a certain point or not - am I really trail braking when I think I am doing it and am I doing it as effectively as I think I am doing it. At this point it’s useful to see if I am doing what I think I am doing. For faster rides it becomes a tool to see where they can get those small gains that add up. I brake early but lightly at this stage.
 
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andyb said:
back to my its £3500 as you would want the camera too to overlay the information. that's an awful lot of 121 coaching.

Interestingly working with Porsche cars there is a track precision app you can download to your phone, tie it in to the PCM on the car and record a lap which overlays the data to the recording. Great bit of kit.....
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I used that on a 911 I had in the UK and it was pretty cool. It’s shame that the DDA/Prosa development seemed to have stopped with the first iteration. It could be a lot better.
 

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