Ducati ! USA v UK silly question....

Legion748 · Jan 12, 2013

I have been riding for Ducati's for along time and actually had the pleasure of racing them, albeit at club level and 620 SS or Monsters...obviously been on a number of uk websites for Dukes etc, but I have to say after readind this forum for a few months ! it's seems most are very very well off, multiple bikes huge value cars !!! dropping big value zorsts on the bike etc etc, are Dukes on the USA a plaything for the rich, or are they in reach for a normal working person...? in the UK it is a good mix.....

Just curious like..?

WAfatboy · Jan 12, 2013

It certainly feels like that sometimes. I'm in Australia and there's a real mix like in the UK, although there's definitely an older demographic with a higher income because we pay more pro-rata for our bikes than the UK. The import duty and luxury car tax here in Oz make Ferrari's a plaything for the super rich generally, unless you're a bachelor

Derek · Jan 12, 2013

In my opinion... It is a good mix. The price of a panigale is no different than a Harley Davidson, and we have every type of person riding a Harley's. The only difference is that Sport bikes are generally around $10,000, which is twice the cost of one ducati, so you don't see as many. We are similar. We have the rich that buy for looks and the average person obtaining their dream bike that they're gonna ride!

elitesoldier357 · Jan 12, 2013

Derek said:
The only difference is that Sport bikes are generally around $10,000, which is twice the cost of one ducati, so you don't see as many.

HUH??? This statement doesn't make sense. Panigale is around $20,000 for the base and most sportbikes on the street are $10,000 or less.

Secondly to answer your question and what I think he is trying to say here is the Panigale is about the same price as most Harley Davidson's. A new sportbike may cost between $13,000-$15,000 for a 1000cc. A new Panigale is roughly $19,000-$20,000... not much of a price difference between SPORTBIKE and SUPERBIKE in terms of cost.

A new Sports car may cost between $30,000-$50,000 versus a Supercar costing anywhere between roughly $100,000 to $300,000 for most supercars. BIG difference in price between these two.

Ducati's are not just for the rich. They are easily affordable by almost anyone who makes a decent paycheck and appreciates exotic machines. Exotic cars on the other hand... you have to be making a REALLY good paycheck to afford to even buy one, let alone the service and insurance. Does this answer your questions?

WV 1199 · Jan 12, 2013

I am still in school and working at the same time but I got back form a deployment a little over a year ago which helped a lot financially and I just bought my first Ducati. So I am definitely not making as much money as some but I have made a few sacrifices in order to afford this bike, but to me it is totally worth it because it has been a dream of mine to own a Ducati for over a decade, so to say that when I rode my 1199 home I was ecstatic was an understatement. When I start working I hope that my garage will grow but as of now I am quite content with what I have.

99DUC · Jan 12, 2013

Prices in Australia for all bikes and cars are considerably higher than the US. The buying price of the Panigale Base model (which includes ABS) is $26,999, the S runs out at $33,990 and the Tri at $39,990

By the time you add dealer delivery ($550), registration & compulsory accident insurance ($670), stamp duty (6%), comprehensive insurance etc ($890), your Ducati purchase comes at quite a price.

Accessories for my 1199 all come form the US or Europe, as the prices are WAY cheaper than the local dealers and the exchange rate at the moment is attractive.

I even considered importing my Panigale, but wanted the bike to have pedigree and purchased from a Ducati, which is better for warranty/re-sale value.

Now I am regretting that decision as the bike is a keeper, having spent the time and effort to make all sorts of appearance improvements to get the bike perfect, as well as suspension upgrades (the SACHS rear is CRAP) to get the handling perfect, and of course the motor was already perfect with 195 hp more than enough for what I need!

The regret comes from overspending. I should have purchased the bike from the US for $18,000, import shipping/GST/engineers report etc for $5000 and a Panigale at $23K sounds as good as a Ducati L-Twin!

WAfatboy · Jan 13, 2013

If it makes you feel any better (99duc) it isnt that easy. i understand you can't just import like bikes like that...our system here forces us to pay more whether we liked or not. Apparently you can't import a new bike unless you've owned the bike for 12 months and lived in the same country with it (I.e. US) . Even then you pay your GST on the value of the goods in Australia also, not what you paid for it (unless is pre 1989). There heapsmofmred tape and I can't remember the rest of it.

littlejohn · Jan 13, 2013

WAfatboy said:
If it makes you feel any better (99duc) it isnt that easy. i understand you can't just import like bikes like that...our system here forces us to pay more whether we liked or not. Apparently you can't import a new bike unless you've owned the bike for 12 months and lived in the same country with it (I.e. US) . Even then you pay your GST on the value of the goods in Australia also, not what you paid for it (unless is pre 1989). There heapsmofmred tape and I can't remember the rest of it.

+1. you are correct. Theres ALOT more to it when buying a current model vehicle that has an established distro in the country.

I researched this quite thoroughly, and even if I was able to get around the 12 months ownership thingy.. there was only about 6-7K difference.
Which imo, wasn't worth all the potential hassles, especially taking into consideration the 1199 is a 1st year 1st gen bike.

99DUC · Jan 13, 2013

The first year / first bike syndrome did weigh heavily in the decision to buy local. There is a crowd in Queensland called "All American Imports" that look OK, but it comes down to how much risk do you want to take, or do you just want to buy a solution?

Apart from the dollars, the reason I looked seriously at importing, was the agonising wait for my Panigale. Ordered in June, arrived in November. I was stir-crazy by September, with numerous accessory parts sitting in boxes, waiting to be installed!

zvez · Jan 13, 2013

but certainly the price of japanese liter bike is the same precentage higher than in the US?

99DUC said:
Prices in Australia for all bikes and cars are considerably higher than the US. The buying price of the Panigale Base model (which includes ABS) is $26,999, the S runs out at $33,990 and the Tri at $39,990

By the time you add dealer delivery ($550), registration & compulsory accident insurance ($670), stamp duty (6%), comprehensive insurance etc ($890), your Ducati purchase comes at quite a price.

Accessories for my 1199 all come form the US or Europe, as the prices are WAY cheaper than the local dealers and the exchange rate at the moment is attractive.

I even considered importing my Panigale, but wanted the bike to have pedigree and purchased from a Ducati, which is better for warranty/re-sale value.

Now I am regretting that decision as the bike is a keeper, having spent the time and effort to make all sorts of appearance improvements to get the bike perfect, as well as suspension upgrades (the SACHS rear is CRAP) to get the handling perfect, and of course the motor was already perfect with 195 hp more than enough for what I need!

The regret comes from overspending. I should have purchased the bike from the US for $18,000, import shipping/GST/engineers report etc for $5000 and a Panigale at $23K sounds as good as a Ducati L-Twin!

Calitrade9 · Jan 13, 2013

IMO this is totally the other way around. Sure the bike is not cheap but I am original from Germany and you would think that Germany being so close to Italy the bikes are cheaper but for example the base model is about $3500 more when you convert the currency. I would taxes is a big part. Besides the price the bike is much more expensive to buy insurance for and we don't even talk about gas (4x more expensive).

ScrapperX · Jan 13, 2013

I think it depends on what you consider to be rich. Bill Gates rich? Surely not. Someone once said it in this forum "It's the same price of a Nissan Sentra and one is a lot more enjoyable to drive than the other. " It depends on what you want and how much you are willing to spend for it. Is it expensive compared to other bikes? probably yes but it's surely not out of the reach if you want one.

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