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What's the necessity of running a PDM when using a MoTeC electronics package? What benefits does it bring? Asking for a friend.
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Look it up and your friend will thank you… especially if he or she is obsessed about packaging and reliability [emoji6]
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AIM has a PDM package but I don't see what it gets you over a MoTeC, but I haven't compared retail costs. The MoTeC is a complete replacement of all the OEM electronics and is arguably more suitable to race teams. Still, an OEM bike is above my skill. I say that knowing Ducati's test rider could smoke anyone on this forum on a stock V4S. The capability of the platform is there.
To me, its kind of a software over hardware thing.
You could take two guys and give one an amazing wiz bang handgun with all the mods and he could get smoked by a dude in a competition who had a better mastering of the fundamentals.
For sure OEM bike are homologated compromises on performance, but they are still amazing machines. We are at a point where electronic packages have to overcome physics because these things are powerful enough to wheelie into a flip if left without mitigations in place. To this end, I reject the argument that rider aids somehow are a detriment. When superbikes maxed out at 165HP and were 500Lbs, it wasn't as needed as a bike with 225HP and 450LBS.
To me, its kind of a software over hardware thing.
You could take two guys and give one an amazing wiz bang handgun with all the mods and he could get smoked by a dude in a competition who had a better mastering of the fundamentals.
For sure OEM bike are homologated compromises on performance, but they are still amazing machines. We are at a point where electronic packages have to overcome physics because these things are powerful enough to wheelie into a flip if left without mitigations in place. To this end, I reject the argument that rider aids somehow are a detriment. When superbikes maxed out at 165HP and were 500Lbs, it wasn't as needed as a bike with 225HP and 450LBS.
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Motec don’t offer a package for the Duc, they make the components and do offer some packages for other automotive platforms. They also have their own pdm systems. PDMs and ECUs are both computers but designed for different functions, they are essentially the same thing but with firmware/hardware to suit different functions. Ideally both are desired in a package. A company called Haltech make an ECU/PDM in one but not on the same level as Motec grade of components.
Long story short is the ECU controls engine operation. The PDM controls ancillary operation, cluster, lights, water pump etc… it eliminates the fuse box. Imagine not having one fuse or relay!
It’s all solid state switches and completely programmable.
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You ....... ....… that package was put together by SBKunlimited or outsourced to a third party using mostly motec components.
And if you actually knew what that package includes the you would also know that it includes a PDM… just not the best kind.
Go buy some more cool stuff you know nothing about.
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Actually it uses the stock Ducati PDM, the solid state one they tried wasn't up to the task. The system is put together by SBU and it's a well built system it looks like they collaborated with bike sport development in the UK
Hmmm looks like a Motec kit for a Ducati. I’m guessing Alk doesn’t live in the US. I guess SBU should change that ad. It reads Motec kit for Ducati V4. Brand MoTec. Product code MoTec V4 SBK. Doesn’t say SBU assembled electronic package for the Ducati V4. It says MoTec.
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Stock Ducati pdm?
Iirc, you choose from one of three MoTec pdm options when you order the kit from SBU.
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Actually a PDM in this context is solid state by definition. The stock Ducati PDM you’re referring to is a fuse box and relays.
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So Alkhater obviously I built a substantially inferior bike this last time out because I didn’t incorporate PDM into my electronic selection. So that I may up my game to your standards on the next build what is PDM going to do for me that will make the next bike at least decent?
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It will do for you as much as you know how and what to do with it.
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From the MoTec website. My question is, what possible relevance does this have for anyone running anything but a full competition platform with a lot of data inputs .I literally have 4 fuses and a couple of relays on the last bike I built and you literally made a comment that it was somehow substandard because it did not incorporate a PDM platform, so given the comment why do I need a PDM platform on a non competitive 2 cylinder motorcycle? Tell me what I can do with it to make my platform better. I would love to know how the benefits listed below help me and you for that matter. I assume from your posts that you are utilizing this platform so maybe you could share how you are using your PDM to build a better system.
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Yeah they probably haven't updated their website, i have the system from their V4 build and it uses stock PDM they advised me this is the only option, i prefer that as it's easier to Carry spares. I think it also uses the Motec IMU but we're swapping out for the stock V4R one as it's a lot better.
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If you’re going to praise yourself for doing things in the best way possible then do your homework.
I commend your approach and work ethic, it demands respect and should be contagious. If most people were like that the world would be a better place.
But if you’re gonna talk the talk then walk the walk.
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From the MoTec website. My question is, what possible relevance does this have for anyone running anything but a full competition platform with a lot of data inputs .I literally have 4 fuses and a couple of relays on the last bike I built and you literally made a comment that it was somehow substandard because it did not incorporate a PDM platform, so given the comment why do I need a PDM platform on a non competitive 2 cylinder motorcycle? Tell me what I can do with it to make my platform better. I would love to know how the benefits listed below help me and you for that matter. I assume from your posts that you are utilizing this platform so maybe you could share how you are using your PDM to build a better system.
MoTeC Power Distribution Modules (PDM) are designed to replace conventional relays, fuses and circuit breakers, simplifying wiring and reducing weight while increasing reliability.
They not only provide electronically switched power to various systems in the vehicle, but can also be programmed to make smart decisions while the vehicle is out on track. For example, they can restart devices automatically after a short, switch to a reserve pump if a main pump fails, systematically shut down devices if battery voltage drops, even regulate the water in a driver’s cool suit.
In addition to that the PDMs provide full diagnostic information, including output currents and error status, enabling teams to monitor the entire vehicle via telemetry.
Lol
That’s a very clear description
What else do you want to know?
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What I need to know is how is that in any way relevant to me? I don't have any of those things. Its a 2 cylinder street bike. I have a head light, tail light, turn signals. No ABS, No Elock, hell i dont even have a key. Im not logging, I don't have telemetry, I have no peripheral devices (radar, phone, refrigerator, hot tub, fog lights, multi media) so help me out, what grave error did I make not incorporating a power distribution module into my platform that would have elevated my build to a higher status. Dude I like tech, so my bad, I aparently missed the boat here. Tell me what to get and i will get it hooked up
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