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What a small world. I responded to you on insta about your bike and build. Maybe one day you can help me and give me some knowledge on how to machine for parts.
Really not trying to be a dick (that comes naturally for me) I’m trying to talks some sense into some people. Identify what it is that you want, have a plan and execute it. I’m not a very good rider. I can find my way around an apex and probably hold my own in some instances but I my interest is building unique things an creating solutions. Buying a showroom bike, and tracking it “seriously” is not for the timid. If you are “seriously” pushing the curve, trying to get the most out of yourself, you’re going to crash and aside from a few guys on this board, not many can afford to crash a 35k they are still paying for.
My first “track bike” was a fully kitted 1000RR. I crashed it, a couple of times. Way over my head. If I did another “Track only” bike today it probably wouldn’t be a Ducati. It would have the best suspension, brakes and controls possible. It would have engine management only, a built motor on the edge of destruction, no rider aids and the rest of the bike would be junk.
All these fancy rider aids and electronic wizardry, what ever happened to riding the bike. I love mechanical porn but this extreme level of “rider assistance” for me just isn’t at all interesting. I always thought it best to learn the craft then layer in “assistance” as my skill sets warranted. Seems like every other post is some poser talking about his EVO package. ....... goofy.
My first “track bike” was a fully kitted 1000RR. I crashed it, a couple of times. Way over my head. If I did another “Track only” bike today it probably wouldn’t be a Ducati. It would have the best suspension, brakes and controls possible. It would have engine management only, a built motor on the edge of destruction, no rider aids and the rest of the bike would be junk.
All these fancy rider aids and electronic wizardry, what ever happened to riding the bike. I love mechanical porn but this extreme level of “rider assistance” for me just isn’t at all interesting. I always thought it best to learn the craft then layer in “assistance” as my skill sets warranted. Seems like every other post is some poser talking about his EVO package. ....... goofy.
I’m not the guy for that. I screw up more stuff than I would care to admit. I am very much still learning how to make things that are worth using. Best way to learn anything is by doing. I have a lifetime of wrecked and discarded materials and parts to keep me humble regarding my abilities.
My strongest asset is packaging. I seem to have a pretty decent ability to put the right things together and present it in a format that is fairly well received. A lot of that is just starting every day out with a blank check both financially and experimentally. A well funded endeavor doesn’t guarantee success but it most definitely removes obstacles. I would rather own the best T Shirt than an average suit of the pinnacle of development in a bicycle than a decent motorcycle. I don’t like things everyone else has and I despise half assed efforts.
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Now I need a Latte!! Well said.
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This is a weird conversation, but if a custom build is 100% and the Ducati product off the floor is 93.6%, Ill take the stock item, maybe bolt on a shock or some rearsets and just go riding. I don't have time to build, it's not a part of the hobby I am set up for but for sure it can be an art form that gives immense enjoyment and isn't that why we go motorcycling?
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Good points!
In my case I don’t disagree with you or [mention]endodoc [/mention] I’d love to be able to work on my own bike, fabricate equipment and do everything on my own but I work 10 hours a day 6 days a week so I don’t have time for that.
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It comes down to resources. Capital, access, exposure to technology etc. I grew up around aerospace and was spoiled by the materials, fasteners, construction etc. Its all I know and all I use in anything I do. My damn dog cart I made has Ti fasteners (I .... you not). If I can’t get it, I wait. If I still can’t get it, I’ll make it but I’m not going to compromise my approach to building and construction that started with skateboards when I was 7.
I’m not much into pride whatsoever. There is a way of doing something correctly that really shouldn’t be part of consideration, that’s just how it’s done. What irks me is that as far as quality, ingenuity and methodology are concerned, there are virtually unlimited outlets to learn. To not do the very best at whatever it is that you do is self destructive.
And yes I am fortunate to not have to work for a living (relatively speaking)but that was engineered as well a long time ago simply by watching others who we’re doing it and learning from them. Again glaring examples of how to “do it right” with 90% of the population doing it wrong. Dumbfounding.
I’m not much into pride whatsoever. There is a way of doing something correctly that really shouldn’t be part of consideration, that’s just how it’s done. What irks me is that as far as quality, ingenuity and methodology are concerned, there are virtually unlimited outlets to learn. To not do the very best at whatever it is that you do is self destructive.
And yes I am fortunate to not have to work for a living (relatively speaking)but that was engineered as well a long time ago simply by watching others who we’re doing it and learning from them. Again glaring examples of how to “do it right” with 90% of the population doing it wrong. Dumbfounding.
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Since you’re on my boat I feel you 100% but no matter how many times or how well you think you can stroke your own back you can’t provide for Ducati enthusiasts on a Ducati forum with your diy skills and recourses even with your 20 inch dick.
Now if you can sell me a prepped V4 track bike for 30k then I’m down to talk, otherwise don’t give people .... for pursuing their dreams.
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Once upon a time in the west it was not uncommon to either have good workshop skills or know someone who did. The industry and trades in your area contributed to this, and its intergenerational. Fast forward to late stage capitalism, culture wars, the internet age (which is overwhelmingly positive IMHO) the corporate packaging of every damn thing you can think and we are living an instant gratification culture that makes people think they don't have put in the time.
I also grew up around with friends who were in aviation engineering and avionic fields, and I agree that when every single aspect of your work is logged and maintenance is critical, it creates a habit in life of doing it properly.
I also grew up around with friends who were in aviation engineering and avionic fields, and I agree that when every single aspect of your work is logged and maintenance is critical, it creates a habit in life of doing it properly.
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This is true.
So is this. Beyond a measure of generalized security, increasing wealth and material possessions do not correlate to increasing satisfaction or happiness.
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I do not want a V4 SL. Latte or bust!!!
My drive it home point what this. Be honest with yourself and understand the severity of the psychological impact on the big picture. How often does this happen. “Man I really want that” pause, “how much is it?” You have already stated in your head that you really want that and you are immediately confronted with a situation that could ultimately cause you to settle for something else.
You already know what you want and now your going to go and .... on your first choice and do what society has trained you to do, settle, compromise and they condition you for this from the time you are able to comprehend.
I don’t ever ask how much something costs. If I’m building something (bike, car, plane, home whatever) I have a build plan based on my desired outcome and I order what I need. My wife always says “ don’t ask him, he has no idea what things cost”. Now I’m not crazy. I don’t go window shopping for a Koenigsegg. It’s not in the cards at the moment but I also didn’t got down to the Lambo shop and lease like every other schmuck in SoCal. If I can’t have a Koenigsegg, I don’t bother looking at sports cars. Pretty simple. I will go without just about any day rather than start down that “good enough” road. That’s a philosophy that ensures I step up my game.
Same in business. I say yes to everything. I’m so over committed right now that everyone is panicking. I’m laughing my ass off because I know I will deliver. I always do. I’m not conditioned like they are. Promising the impossible breaks down barriers, settling builds walls of slavery.
You already know what you want and now your going to go and .... on your first choice and do what society has trained you to do, settle, compromise and they condition you for this from the time you are able to comprehend.
I don’t ever ask how much something costs. If I’m building something (bike, car, plane, home whatever) I have a build plan based on my desired outcome and I order what I need. My wife always says “ don’t ask him, he has no idea what things cost”. Now I’m not crazy. I don’t go window shopping for a Koenigsegg. It’s not in the cards at the moment but I also didn’t got down to the Lambo shop and lease like every other schmuck in SoCal. If I can’t have a Koenigsegg, I don’t bother looking at sports cars. Pretty simple. I will go without just about any day rather than start down that “good enough” road. That’s a philosophy that ensures I step up my game.
Same in business. I say yes to everything. I’m so over committed right now that everyone is panicking. I’m laughing my ass off because I know I will deliver. I always do. I’m not conditioned like they are. Promising the impossible breaks down barriers, settling builds walls of slavery.
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What's the necessity of running a PDM when using a MoTeC electronics package? What benefits does it bring? Asking for a friend.
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Look it up and your friend will thank you… especially if he or she is obsessed about packaging and reliability [emoji6]
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AIM has a PDM package but I don't see what it gets you over a MoTeC, but I haven't compared retail costs. The MoTeC is a complete replacement of all the OEM electronics and is arguably more suitable to race teams. Still, an OEM bike is above my skill. I say that knowing Ducati's test rider could smoke anyone on this forum on a stock V4S. The capability of the platform is there.
To me, its kind of a software over hardware thing.
You could take two guys and give one an amazing wiz bang handgun with all the mods and he could get smoked by a dude in a competition who had a better mastering of the fundamentals.
For sure OEM bike are homologated compromises on performance, but they are still amazing machines. We are at a point where electronic packages have to overcome physics because these things are powerful enough to wheelie into a flip if left without mitigations in place. To this end, I reject the argument that rider aids somehow are a detriment. When superbikes maxed out at 165HP and were 500Lbs, it wasn't as needed as a bike with 225HP and 450LBS.
To me, its kind of a software over hardware thing.
You could take two guys and give one an amazing wiz bang handgun with all the mods and he could get smoked by a dude in a competition who had a better mastering of the fundamentals.
For sure OEM bike are homologated compromises on performance, but they are still amazing machines. We are at a point where electronic packages have to overcome physics because these things are powerful enough to wheelie into a flip if left without mitigations in place. To this end, I reject the argument that rider aids somehow are a detriment. When superbikes maxed out at 165HP and were 500Lbs, it wasn't as needed as a bike with 225HP and 450LBS.
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Motec don’t offer a package for the Duc, they make the components and do offer some packages for other automotive platforms. They also have their own pdm systems. PDMs and ECUs are both computers but designed for different functions, they are essentially the same thing but with firmware/hardware to suit different functions. Ideally both are desired in a package. A company called Haltech make an ECU/PDM in one but not on the same level as Motec grade of components.
Long story short is the ECU controls engine operation. The PDM controls ancillary operation, cluster, lights, water pump etc… it eliminates the fuse box. Imagine not having one fuse or relay!
It’s all solid state switches and completely programmable.
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