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If only Ducati would run all their ideas by this forum before implementing, rather than the ROTW, we would have much fewer posts (not).
Heat issues, addressed today by Ducati!
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+1 ha ha ha ha!!!
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lol..
"Hey, Enzo, before you start mass producing this part make sure you get approval from Gabriele Del Torchio, Massimo Tamburini, Troy Bayliss and all those dudes over on that 1199 forum."
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i agree with most all that i've read in terms of the functionality of the new heat shields, it's just sad (to me) that they have to take the form (as pictured, if so) that they have. i personally would not want to deal with the heat issue (i live in So Cal) in its current state, especially in the summer months, so yes, i'd implement the fix if it meant riding the bike or not. again, it's a shame that the parts to remedy the problem look as they do.
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That's exactly what I was saying previously. I'm as concerned about that as I am about the way it looks.
This bike runs HOT as it is....
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I'm not a Thermal Dynamics engineer either.. although I am a mech engineer, and did take some Thermal Dynamics in college. Now all that being said, simple fact is this...
The Engine is making heat, that heat has to go somewhere. some goes out the exhaust, some gets transferred to the coolant, then gets dissipated at the radiator, and the rest, well as we have learned, the rest radiates off the outer surface of the engine and exhaust pipes.
So Covers just try to keep the heat from radiating out as much and burning our precious inner thigh parts. Inherently more of that heat will stay in the engine and exhaust, creating Higher temperatures at components (Hopefully not higher than those components can handle)
It seems that know one has been able to confirm or deny if a full system runs cooler or not, but I would have to believe that it does. Because, if there is less back pressure, than the hot air gets out quicker. (kind of like a flu in a stove pipe on a wood burning stove) Plus the stock pipes have catalytic converters in them, and those things get hot!
So thermal dynamics is simple... Heat is created (in this case by internal combustion creating horsepower), and it has to go somewhere!
The Engine is making heat, that heat has to go somewhere. some goes out the exhaust, some gets transferred to the coolant, then gets dissipated at the radiator, and the rest, well as we have learned, the rest radiates off the outer surface of the engine and exhaust pipes.
So Covers just try to keep the heat from radiating out as much and burning our precious inner thigh parts. Inherently more of that heat will stay in the engine and exhaust, creating Higher temperatures at components (Hopefully not higher than those components can handle)
It seems that know one has been able to confirm or deny if a full system runs cooler or not, but I would have to believe that it does. Because, if there is less back pressure, than the hot air gets out quicker. (kind of like a flu in a stove pipe on a wood burning stove) Plus the stock pipes have catalytic converters in them, and those things get hot!
So thermal dynamics is simple... Heat is created (in this case by internal combustion creating horsepower), and it has to go somewhere!
So, a little humor...I asked some riding buddies of mine what their opinion was and gave them a pic of what it looks like before and what it would look like after (using the pic in the thread) and they respond:
"I wonder if they could modify it to look something like this..."
LOL...
"I wonder if they could modify it to look something like this..."
LOL...
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So, a little humor...I asked some riding buddies of mine what their opinion was and gave them a pic of what it looks like before and what it would look like after (using the pic in the thread) and they respond:
"I wonder if they could modify it to look something like this..."
LOL...
They want it to look unchanged for 6 years?
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Thanks -I had to take that class for my BSEE. More for dissipating heat buildup from electronics but the theory is the same for mechanical I guess. I just hope those components could handle the extra temp it will see. I also hope the engineers allowed for room in their thermal analysis budget because from my understanding the engine temp light comes on at 250F and in traffic and I seen my Pani reach 220F easily when I had the stock exhaust on. With my Termi full system I haven't seen it go above 212F on the hottest days. To be honest I believe the Termi Full system does run cooler (by feel) although mine is ceramic coated and I haven't felt a non coated Termi. Hope that helps.
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when you are riding, your leg should cover up some of that ugliness perhaps?
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I dropped my bike off with a fabricator and he's working on coming up with a solution for me. He happens to have a 1098 S and we swapped bikes after a 30 minute ride. I have to say the 1098 may as well have an air conditioned seat compared to the 1199. The difference was enough to where he called riding the Panigale "Murder". When I went from the 1098 back to the 1199 I'd have to say I agree. Must have been a 40 degree difference!
I know there are other heat shields out there--but knowing his work, I'm confident he can come up with something better than any of the current heat shields out there (and it will probably be more expensive).
I know there are other heat shields out there--but knowing his work, I'm confident he can come up with something better than any of the current heat shields out there (and it will probably be more expensive).
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You're probably right.. I haven't owned any other Ducs besides the 1199, but I have sat on a 1098, 1198 & 848. I noticed that the older trellis framed ducs force your legs apart quite a bit compared to the 1199.
My position on these other bikes has my thighs at least a couple of inches further out from the bike than when on the 1199. This is also the case with every other litre bike out there, and one of the main reasons I chose the Pani.
I suspect the 1199 doesn't run any hotter, but due to her slender waist line, my legs are closer to her hot bits
I have noticed when I sit back a little further on the saddle, I hardly notice the heat at all. The only problem is, this isn't really a solution as the OE seat sort of forces me to sit right against the tank.
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I think that the difference is that the rear head in the 1199 is way closer to the seat and more exposed than in the 1198.
compare these pictures:
http://worldviewbikes.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/Ducati-Superbike-1198-SP-Side-View.jpg
and
http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/2012-Ducati-1199-Panigale-20.jpg
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Don't ride in shorts.
The only reason I'll probably get the heat shield installed is because I hope the fix will help shield some of the heat on the brake reservoir.
I can live with the heat otherwise. The bike is used for nothing more than back road fun.
The only reason I'll probably get the heat shield installed is because I hope the fix will help shield some of the heat on the brake reservoir.
I can live with the heat otherwise. The bike is used for nothing more than back road fun.
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Don't ride in shorts.
The only reason I'll probably get the heat shield installed is because I hope the fix will help shield some of the heat on the brake reservoir.
I can live with the heat otherwise. The bike is used for nothing more than back road fun.
basically, as posted before, the heat will not just vanish.
there are several options, less flow restriction inside the exhaust, more surface for heat dissipation and more air flow around the hot surfaces. locking up the heat under covers is contraproductive. there must be floooow!
i am curious what AntiHero's fabricator will come up with!
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Some of ya'll are missing the obvious. The heat is still generated, they are basically redirecting where it exits - away from the rider. I have owned two bikes that where revised after a couple of years of similar complaints - FJR and Concours 14. That is all they did was redirect the heat to not cook the rider.
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I don't think anyone questioned the motorcycle's build, engineering, or design principles but rather commented on what the supposed/proposed heat shield parts look like. My bet is that they help dissipate and redistribute some of the heat, but that's not what concerns me, their looks do. They're ugly.
Based on the photo provided, does anyone actually like how they look?
That does look horrible.
Unfortunately had my first issues with heat yesterday, with full non-perforated leathers I have burns to my thighs and blisters this morning
What was the air temp in WA when you rode?
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