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Damn shame to hide that amazing head. The exposed vertical cylinder has always been a huge selling point to me for ducati superbikes.
 
I'm excited about the new shield from a forum perspective. Now, if someone posts a thread bitching about the heat we can ask them in post #2 if they have the guard installed. If they say that they won't install the guard because it is ugly then we can tell them they are not allowed to start threads whining about the heat or risk expulsion from the forum.

This seems pretty simple to me. I enjoy riding my Panigale and I think that holds true for everybody here for the most part. The shield only affects me when I am looking at the bike in the garage since I can't see the shield when flying through the twisties. Therefore, if the heat is bothering me to the point I can't enjoy riding my Panigale I would get the shield and not think twice about it. If the heat was not bothering me when riding the Panigale then I can skip the shield since I find it unsightly. IMHO, how she rides is a lot more important to me than how she looks while parked at Starbucks. :)
 
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Capt CF said:
I'm excited about the new shield from a forum perspective. Now, if someone posts a thread bitching about the heat we can ask them in post #2 if they have the guard installed. If they say that they won't install the guard because it is ugly then we can tell them they are not allowed to start threads whining about the heat or risk expulsion from the forum. :)
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Folks are calling what they think based on what they see and know. It is very important that Ducati get a sampling of feedback that is representative of their community and doubly so from geographic regions with warmer climates.

The big unknown is what the performance of the heat shield will be.

Forums loose value when censored and even more so when self-adopted forum police take self-appointed roles.

I said enough on this issue and I will value the performance on facts. Factually, the overwhelming response is that this is a compromise and it is ugly.
 
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CaliDuc said:
Folks are calling what they think based on what they see and know. It is very important that Ducati get a sampling of feedback that is representative of their community and doubly so from geographic regions with warmer climates.

The big unknown is what the performance of the heat shield will be.

Forums loose value when censored and even more so when self-adopted forum police take self-appointed roles.

I said enough on this issue and I will value the performance on facts. Factually, the overwhelming response is that there is a compromise and it is ugly.
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I think I can agree with you on some of this, but not really the self-appointed role bit. Anyway, I think what we all want is a shield that looks like a tiny piece of matte carbon fiber that makes the bike run as cool as others and not leave burns on our bodies or our passenger's bodies. I'm not sure that can be done, but I guess we should all just wait and see what comes out of Bologna in the next few days. Knowing what the guys at Ducati usually put into a superbike and knowing that they value aesthetics just as much as we do I doubt they would have made this as large and obvious as they did unless there really was no other way to control the heat issue. I mean after all, they are Italian motorcycle designers.
 
Trauma said:
If only Ducati would run all their ideas by this forum before implementing, rather than the ROTW, we would have much fewer posts (not).
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lol..

"Hey, Enzo, before you start mass producing this part make sure you get approval from Gabriele Del Torchio, Massimo Tamburini, Troy Bayliss and all those dudes over on that 1199 forum."
 
i agree with most all that i've read in terms of the functionality of the new heat shields, it's just sad (to me) that they have to take the form (as pictured, if so) that they have. i personally would not want to deal with the heat issue (i live in So Cal) in its current state, especially in the summer months, so yes, i'd implement the fix if it meant riding the bike or not. again, it's a shame that the parts to remedy the problem look as they do.
 
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ScrapperX said:
I am not a Thermal Dynamics Engineer, but I am wondering if keeping all that heat in the head would cause any engine problems. The heat will transfer somewhere else and hopefully doesn't cause any fatigue or components failures such as water pump or radiator working overtime to cool off the engine.
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That's exactly what I was saying previously. I'm as concerned about that as I am about the way it looks.
This bike runs HOT as it is....
J.
 
I'm not a Thermal Dynamics engineer either.. although I am a mech engineer, and did take some Thermal Dynamics in college. Now all that being said, simple fact is this...

The Engine is making heat, that heat has to go somewhere. some goes out the exhaust, some gets transferred to the coolant, then gets dissipated at the radiator, and the rest, well as we have learned, the rest radiates off the outer surface of the engine and exhaust pipes.

So Covers just try to keep the heat from radiating out as much and burning our precious inner thigh parts. Inherently more of that heat will stay in the engine and exhaust, creating Higher temperatures at components (Hopefully not higher than those components can handle)

It seems that know one has been able to confirm or deny if a full system runs cooler or not, but I would have to believe that it does. Because, if there is less back pressure, than the hot air gets out quicker. (kind of like a flu in a stove pipe on a wood burning stove) Plus the stock pipes have catalytic converters in them, and those things get hot!

So thermal dynamics is simple... Heat is created (in this case by internal combustion creating horsepower), and it has to go somewhere!
 
So, a little humor...I asked some riding buddies of mine what their opinion was and gave them a pic of what it looks like before and what it would look like after (using the pic in the thread) and they respond:

"I wonder if they could modify it to look something like this..."

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LOL...
 
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4theride said:
So, a little humor...I asked some riding buddies of mine what their opinion was and gave them a pic of what it looks like before and what it would look like after (using the pic in the thread) and they respond:

"I wonder if they could modify it to look something like this..."

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LOL...
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They want it to look unchanged for 6 years?
 
chrisplm said:
I'm not a Thermal Dynamics engineer either.. although I am a mech engineer, and did take some Thermal Dynamics in college. Now all that being said, simple fact is this...

The Engine is making heat, that heat has to go somewhere. some goes out the exhaust, some gets transferred to the coolant, then gets dissipated at the radiator, and the rest, well as we have learned, the rest radiates off the outer surface of the engine and exhaust pipes.

So Covers just try to keep the heat from radiating out as much and burning our precious inner thigh parts. Inherently more of that heat will stay in the engine and exhaust, creating Higher temperatures at components (Hopefully not higher than those components can handle)

It seems that know one has been able to confirm or deny if a full system runs cooler or not, but I would have to believe that it does. Because, if there is less back pressure, than the hot air gets out quicker. (kind of like a flu in a stove pipe on a wood burning stove) Plus the stock pipes have catalytic converters in them, and those things get hot!

So thermal dynamics is simple... Heat is created (in this case by internal combustion creating horsepower), and it has to go somewhere!
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Thanks -I had to take that class for my BSEE. More for dissipating heat buildup from electronics but the theory is the same for mechanical I guess. I just hope those components could handle the extra temp it will see. I also hope the engineers allowed for room in their thermal analysis budget because from my understanding the engine temp light comes on at 250F and in traffic and I seen my Pani reach 220F easily when I had the stock exhaust on. With my Termi full system I haven't seen it go above 212F on the hottest days. To be honest I believe the Termi Full system does run cooler (by feel) although mine is ceramic coated and I haven't felt a non coated Termi. Hope that helps.
 
I dropped my bike off with a fabricator and he's working on coming up with a solution for me. He happens to have a 1098 S and we swapped bikes after a 30 minute ride. I have to say the 1098 may as well have an air conditioned seat compared to the 1199. The difference was enough to where he called riding the Panigale "Murder". When I went from the 1098 back to the 1199 I'd have to say I agree. Must have been a 40 degree difference!

I know there are other heat shields out there--but knowing his work, I'm confident he can come up with something better than any of the current heat shields out there (and it will probably be more expensive).
 
(^ loving the coffee table book.....and truly enjoyed the test ride on the Pani yesterday.....see what you've done?!? :D)
 
Awesome to hear! :) Perhaps I should have written, "Buy the bike you love, and some fire proof pants" on the salt-flat page.
 
AntiHero said:
I dropped my bike off with a fabricator and he's working on coming up with a solution for me. He happens to have a 1098 S and we swapped bikes after a 30 minute ride. I have to say the 1098 may as well have an air conditioned seat compared to the 1199. The difference was enough to where he called riding the Panigale "Murder". When I went from the 1098 back to the 1199 I'd have to say I agree. Must have been a 40 degree difference!

I know there are other heat shields out there--but knowing his work, I'm confident he can come up with something better than any of the current heat shields out there (and it will probably be more expensive).
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You're probably right.. I haven't owned any other Ducs besides the 1199, but I have sat on a 1098, 1198 & 848. I noticed that the older trellis framed ducs force your legs apart quite a bit compared to the 1199.
My position on these other bikes has my thighs at least a couple of inches further out from the bike than when on the 1199. This is also the case with every other litre bike out there, and one of the main reasons I chose the Pani.

I suspect the 1199 doesn't run any hotter, but due to her slender waist line, my legs are closer to her hot bits ;)

I have noticed when I sit back a little further on the saddle, I hardly notice the heat at all. The only problem is, this isn't really a solution as the OE seat sort of forces me to sit right against the tank.
 
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AntiHero said:
I dropped my bike off with a fabricator and he's working on coming up with a solution for me. He happens to have a 1098 S and we swapped bikes after a 30 minute ride. I have to say the 1098 may as well have an air conditioned seat compared to the 1199. The difference was enough to where he called riding the Panigale "Murder". When I went from the 1098 back to the 1199 I'd have to say I agree. Must have been a 40 degree difference!

I know there are other heat shields out there--but knowing his work, I'm confident he can come up with something better than any of the current heat shields out there (and it will probably be more expensive).
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I think that the difference is that the rear head in the 1199 is way closer to the seat and more exposed than in the 1198.

compare these pictures:

http://worldviewbikes.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/Ducati-Superbike-1198-SP-Side-View.jpg

and

http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/2012-Ducati-1199-Panigale-20.jpg
 
Don't ride in shorts.:p

The only reason I'll probably get the heat shield installed is because I hope the fix will help shield some of the heat on the brake reservoir.

I can live with the heat otherwise. The bike is used for nothing more than back road fun.
 
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