Heat issues, addressed today by Ducati!

AGAIN, No One has confirmed that tis pic isnt a Hoax or some do it at home fix. So until that, im not going ot get upset about it. WHat ever it is, it will be incorporated on all new 2013 bikes so I wont look that different than any other 2013. As far as I know Im the only one with a 13 in Jacksonville anyway so what ever i choose to use, i will set the pace anyway

SoutheastJay said:

AGAIN, No One has confirmed that tis pic isnt a Hoax or some do it at home fix. So until that, im not going ot get upset about it. WHat ever it is, it will be incorporated on all new 2013 bikes so I wont look that different than any other 2013. As far as I know Im the only one with a 13 in Jacksonville anyway so what ever i choose to use, i will set the pace anyway

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See post #134. Do you think he is lying? I suppose it's possible....

Side by Side Comparison

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Photo of the kit fitted to a std setup

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Comparison of the "Rumored" heat replacement next to the Stock Pic.

Fact Or Fiction. I see a few things that are not consistant other than the new heat guards in these pictures... Do you?

Looks pretty clean but yet again, i am sick pup. I like weird looking things

Agreed, I don't think it's that bad.

Capt CF said:

Agreed, I don't think it's that bad.

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No, but it's bad enough. I agree with someone who said that if this was OEM when I bought the bike it wouldn't have made me change my decision. But, it wasn't and now I have a choice. Perhaps when I'm riding in July or August I'll think differently about it. Maybe if it came in matte CF I'd like it!

New Heat Shield for Full Termi

One thing that strikes me as being very odd is the Full Termi' NEW heat shield that is in the Ducati Performance accessories 2013 catalog.

I have attached several photos.

If you examine the photos (from the catalog) you will see that the NEW Termi' heat shield is a lot smaller and more attractive than the current one.

So my question is, in the face of the proposed heat 'solution/compromise' what is going on with what is being hawked in the DP 2013 catalog ???

Very puzzling.

Now that i have seen it for 12 or so hours, it bothers me less than first sight.

i do really like the open-ness of the current style, but i am thinking i will get used to it in time, i will wait to see it in person to make further judgement.

it is very interesting to me that some people are so effected by the heat and some people dont seem to think it is bad at all.

I guess as soon as Ducati ships this part, that some of the aftermarket companies will come out with better looking and more efficient product soon after.

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I'm with you. I don't think it's that bad. What I would like, however, is some kind of data on how much cooler it makes the bike or at least a ride report or two, preferably from one of the people who complain/notice it the most. At least then the rest of us who aren't that bothered by the heat could make the decision on whether we want to go for it or not.

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I am not a Thermal Dynamics Engineer, but I am wondering if keeping all that heat in the head would cause any engine problems. The heat will transfer somewhere else and hopefully doesn't cause any fatigue or components failures such as water pump or radiator working overtime to cool off the engine.

I had a pretty unpleasant time riding at 15mph for a couple miles in 70ish weather with the full system on Sat. Normal moving it's ok, but it started to get pretty painful. I am excited to see what the full system gets.

CaliDuc said:

One thing that strikes me as being very odd is the Full Termi' NEW heat shield that is in the Ducati Performance accessories 2013 catalog.

I have attached several photos.

If you examine the photos (from the catalog) you will see that the NEW Termi' heat shield is a lot smaller and more attractive than the current one.

So my question is, in the face of the proposed heat 'solution/compromise' what is going on with what is being hawked in the DP 2013 catalog ???

Very puzzling.

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My guess is that the disclaimer is the Termi Full System is for "race only" and going fast a round the track you don't feel it like you do driving around town and they want it with max aerodynamics? Looks like most of the racers are just wrapping the header and not installing the heat shield.

took a Pani S for a test ride yesterday....in 70 degree ambient temps....got the bike up to 210 degrees....i must say that when at a stop, my right leg became unbearably hot, a bit more so than when on other Ducati superbikes i've owned. at speed it became tolerable, but the heat was still felt. having said that, i'm not sure that i could stand either one of those pieces shown above to help reduce the heat as i find them absolutely horrendous, the pipe guard more so than the cylinder head cover (seeing the head is a thing of beauty ).

please tell me that those two pieces are NOT the ones Ducati is offering. they just look a bit "goofy" in my opinion....to hide the head behind a piece of impregnated/molded plastic is unfortunate, and the odd-shaped bulk added to the underseat area is as well, at least to me it is.

ps: i enjoyed the test ride, it's an incredible motorcycle for sure.

Albert's heat sheild design may not be a moot point anymore to some

Trauma said:

Poor Ducati, a bunch of people were bitching about the heat - and I mean bitching A LOT about the heat. They come up with a fix, something I am sure took many hours of R&D to design, without containing the entire engine in one big cowl, and people are STILL bitching. Maybe I don't ride enough at high enough temps to decide to take the time to blog about it the heat, but know that they have tried to fix it, I certainly applaud them for the attempt.

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I agree with you. To the guy who thinks this may not be it, it is basically what my dealer described it would be about a month ago - and his personal demo is a Panigale.

CaliDuc said:

One thing that strikes me as being very odd is the Full Termi' NEW heat shield that is in the Ducati Performance accessories 2013 catalog.

I have attached several photos.

If you examine the photos (from the catalog) you will see that the NEW Termi' heat shield is a lot smaller and more attractive than the current one.

So my question is, in the face of the proposed heat 'solution/compromise' what is going on with what is being hawked in the DP 2013 catalog ???

Very puzzling.

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I'm sure the redesign is to allow mounting the pegs without cutting the carbon.

Trauma said:

Poor Ducati, a bunch of people were bitching about the heat - and I mean bitching A LOT about the heat. They come up with a fix, something I am sure took many hours of R&D to design, without containing the entire engine in one big cowl, and people are STILL bitching. Maybe I don't ride enough at high enough temps to decide to take the time to blog about it the heat, but know that they have tried to fix it, I certainly applaud them for the attempt.

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Hmm. Your entitled to your opinion.

My experience comes from a season in California.

In my personal opinion, we know that there is clearly a heat problem due to Ducati's actions, thus people's bitching is indeed well justified.

My comments on the 'compromise/solution' are based on what I currently see. Until the Ducati warranty heat item is fully tested then I for one am certainly going to wait this out. Like I have said we now know for a fact that the bike was launched with severe heat problems.

I love Ducati (money where mouth is) and it pains me to be open and honest about my criticism, however it certainly does not blind me to what they have and may deliver to address the heat. I really should not have had to invest significant dollars on ceramic coating an exhaust to make it more usable.

I do not think it is a case of poor Ducati, due to the price of the bike I feel it more than reasonable to provide experienced based feedback.

People are commenting on how the proposed fix is an eye-saw and ruins the looks of the bike (in my personal opinion). Sorry, this bike is way too expensive already, I have been lead to expect a comprehensive solution from Ducati (as per their own letter) and not a compromise.

Again, my personal feedback is that it looks crap. I would rather other folk bench-test the performance of the solution before I adopt it. Past precedence already dictates that there may be issues.

I really wish I could honestly suck it up, but on this one no way.

Damn shame to hide that amazing head. The exposed vertical cylinder has always been a huge selling point to me for ducati superbikes.

I'm excited about the new shield from a forum perspective. Now, if someone posts a thread bitching about the heat we can ask them in post #2 if they have the guard installed. If they say that they won't install the guard because it is ugly then we can tell them they are not allowed to start threads whining about the heat or risk expulsion from the forum.

This seems pretty simple to me. I enjoy riding my Panigale and I think that holds true for everybody here for the most part. The shield only affects me when I am looking at the bike in the garage since I can't see the shield when flying through the twisties. Therefore, if the heat is bothering me to the point I can't enjoy riding my Panigale I would get the shield and not think twice about it. If the heat was not bothering me when riding the Panigale then I can skip the shield since I find it unsightly. IMHO, how she rides is a lot more important to me than how she looks while parked at Starbucks.

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I'm excited about the new shield from a forum perspective. Now, if someone posts a thread bitching about the heat we can ask them in post #2 if they have the guard installed. If they say that they won't install the guard because it is ugly then we can tell them they are not allowed to start threads whining about the heat or risk expulsion from the forum.

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Folks are calling what they think based on what they see and know. It is very important that Ducati get a sampling of feedback that is representative of their community and doubly so from geographic regions with warmer climates.

The big unknown is what the performance of the heat shield will be.

Forums loose value when censored and even more so when self-adopted forum police take self-appointed roles.

I said enough on this issue and I will value the performance on facts. Factually, the overwhelming response is that this is a compromise and it is ugly.

CaliDuc said:

Folks are calling what they think based on what they see and know. It is very important that Ducati get a sampling of feedback that is representative of their community and doubly so from geographic regions with warmer climates.

The big unknown is what the performance of the heat shield will be.

Forums loose value when censored and even more so when self-adopted forum police take self-appointed roles.

I said enough on this issue and I will value the performance on facts. Factually, the overwhelming response is that there is a compromise and it is ugly.

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I think I can agree with you on some of this, but not really the self-appointed role bit. Anyway, I think what we all want is a shield that looks like a tiny piece of matte carbon fiber that makes the bike run as cool as others and not leave burns on our bodies or our passenger's bodies. I'm not sure that can be done, but I guess we should all just wait and see what comes out of Bologna in the next few days. Knowing what the guys at Ducati usually put into a superbike and knowing that they value aesthetics just as much as we do I doubt they would have made this as large and obvious as they did unless there really was no other way to control the heat issue. I mean after all, they are Italian motorcycle designers.