Hmmmmm, Mixed review and feelings about the Panigale in MCN against the others

mat1529 · Apr 25, 2012

So why don't all the people who are questioning thier decisions, go and test ride the '12 S1000RR just before they test ride the 1199?

Because that's exactly what I did. I had the '10 S1000RR and was about to upgrade to the '12 model when I saw the 1199, which for someone that really never liked Ducati's previously, was blown away with this one! I was apprehensive, as I never ridden a twin before.

Put it this way, after I came back from the 1199 test ride, which I could only take up to 6k rpm as was still getting run in, I had a massive grin from ear to ear, and felt relieved that I had made the correct choice, in my opinion, by putting my deposit down on the 1199, even after all this wait and frustration!

Basically stick the full Termi system on and it's right up there with the Beemer, on paper, if that pleases some people, but like most have said on here, it's who's sat on the thing that makes it go faster, and surely for all you hardcore track goers, wouldn't it make you feel even better beating a Beemer then!?

I'm sorry but the Beemer just looks dated next to the 1199 now. All those that can't make a decision or are worried, do what I did go test ride them back to back! I know it's not the kinda review everyone was expecting, but I still feel we won't be disappointed, all that carry the purchase through, or already in receipt of one, that is.

mototarta · Apr 25, 2012

mat1529 said:
So why don't all the people who are questioning thier decisions, go and test ride the '12 S1000RR just before they test ride the 1199?

Because that's exactly what I did. I had the '10 S1000RR and was about to upgrade to the '12 model when I saw the 1199, which for someone that really never liked Ducati's previously, was blown away with this one! I was apprehensive, as I never ridden a twin before.

Put it this way, after I came back from the 1199 test ride, which I could only take up to 6k rpm as was still getting run in, I had a massive grin from ear to ear, and felt relieved that I had made the correct choice, in my opinion, by putting my deposit down on the 1199, even after all this wait and frustration!

Basically stick the full Termi system on and it's right up there with the Beemer, on paper, if that pleases some people, but like most have said on here, it's who's sat on the thing that makes it go faster, and surely for all you hardcore track goers, wouldn't it make you feel even better beating a Beemer then!?

I'm sorry but the Beemer just looks dated next to the 1199 now. All those that can't make a decision or are worried, do what I did go test ride them back to back! I know it's not the kinda review everyone was expecting, but I still feel we won't be disappointed, all that carry the purchase through, or already in receipt of one, that is.

I Agree... but here in Italy there is not any demo bike to test, you've to buy it on the paper...

Once again...

If a manufacturer like Ducati states for months that this IS the most powerful, fast and stable superbike aff all the times, if you have to spend 25 k euros to have it, if you have to wait six months to have it...

The bike has to be that thing.

That's my opinion. For sure tbe Pani looks far better than the Bmw, I fell in love since I saw it the first time... but believe me, if Pani had been the best in track you all would be happier. No doubt.

And if Pani won the comparison, everyone should have said... the queen has gone...

2,5 seconds on track ... is eternity, as Bmw is a 2010 project....don't think the 2012 is far different from the previous model.

Braintrash · Apr 25, 2012

sajonf said:
LOL no you can’t because of the stop sale to replace the con-rod bolts in all 2012s

I can because the shop has got one which wasn't concerned by the recall.
Not every bike was recalled, only a part of them.
And I checked today, I still can have it if I want, since nobody asked for it. I can hook you up if you want it.

BTW, the Panigale is a bike that I rode at 180km/h, accelerating with one hand while peacefully adjusting my lid with the other one, without even questioning myself about doing that. So long for the instability on roads. :roll eyes:

And I still question MCN ability to properly test bikes. Sorry, but between what the Austin Racing peep noted and their Tricolore review, I just can't take them seriously anymore.

big rocky · Apr 25, 2012

i take what mcn says with a pinch of salt contradict themselves all the time

turnone · Apr 25, 2012

Stability could mean straight line or mid corner. It's a big difference to be going 145 mph leaned over and not feel planted.

My dissapointment is how it was marketed. My decision was based upon looks, performance, fit/finish, price, etc. I justified the purchase based upon it likely to be the best in ALL categories thus explaining the higher price.

For those of you who think being on the slower bike is fine, great for you. I don't mind being on a slow bike, but I go into the purchase knowing it is slower. If the 1199 consinstently comes up a couple seconds slower regardless of rider, then I too will likely be slower. I don't want an I4 either.

Chris

Braintrash · Apr 25, 2012

Stability is not only feeling planted, it is also feeling the road in order to know how far you can push. And you know it better on the Panigale than on the Beemer.

Also, AFAIK, no bike is the best in all areas. You always have to make choices. And the same goes between the Panigale and the BMW.

The Panigale is a better all-rounder than the BMW, and I am still curious to get a full scan of the MCN article in order to read how they can justify the BMW is a better all-rounder.

(And maybe I'll also know how they'll justify the Termi slip-ons are as fast as the full line...)

Scan anyone ?

mototarta · Apr 25, 2012

Braintrash said:
Stability is not only feeling planted, it is also feeling the road in order to know how far you can push. And you know it better on the Panigale than on the Beemer.

Also, AFAIK, no bike is the best in all areas. You always have to make choices. And the same goes between the Panigale and the BMW.

The Panigale is a better all-rounder than the BMW, and I am still curious to get a full scan of the MCN article in order to read how they can justify the BMW is a better all-rounder.

(And maybe I'll also know how they'll justify the Termi slip-ons are as fast as the full line...)

Scan anyone ?

I don't know anything about Mcn, I believe in what i saw with my eyes at Monza track from 'Motociclismo'.

The Panigale on the straight reached 294,5 km /h, the Bmw 298. So the speed is nearly the same. The Pany is lighter ... so i asked myself where she lost 1,5 seconds a lap ...

I asked the riders too and the answer was the same ... 'in the corners' .....

Half a second from the slow first chicane to the end of ' curva grande', a very fast corner you go in 250 km/h. I'll link this week all the speeeds in each part of the track. So we don't speak about stability on the straight. You can take one hand from the bar at maximum speed with a lot of bikes, I did it with my Suzuki katana 1100 25 years ago...but it was not enough to state a perfect stability.

DRSapp · Apr 25, 2012

Xbox said:
I used to care what the magazines though of bikes ......... when I was 18yrs old and didn't have enough experience to form my own opinion

Today I road my 1199 Tric home and enjoyed 20km of pure f-kin heaven.

Need I say more.

I think that said it all Xbox - The Panigale is a passion buy and not a logical decision base on calculated published statistics or by what someone else had to say about it. We buy it, or at least I did, as we have passion for the bike and the brand.

I agree with a few post that mentioned setup. Every Ohlins clad Ducati that I've ridden, standard from the factory, handled ok at best. Go to a track day, even in the Novice group, get with the suspension tech and spend the day setting up your suspension. If you've never done it, be patient and you will be amazed at how well the Ohlins, or any good suspension, can be tuned to suite YOU.

mototarta · Apr 25, 2012

DRSapp said:
I think that said it all Xbox - The Panigale is a passion buy and not a logical decision base on calculated published statistics or by what someone else had to say about it. We buy it, or at least I did, as we have passion for the bike and the brand.

I agree with a few post that mentioned setup. Every Ohlins clad Ducati that I've ridden, standard from the factory, handled ok at best. Go to a track day, even in the Novice group, get with the suspension tech and spend the day setting up your suspension. If you've never done it, be patient and you will be amazed at how well the Ohlins, or any good suspension, can be tuned to suite YOU.

For sure each bike at the Motociclismo comparison had the best set up....
Ducati was there with three technician, and they changed the setup for each stint of each driver, and so Aprilia... Bmw was there with no engineers, no technician but only with the dealer and his son, a boy of 14 ....They changed tyres check pressures and nothing else...

No doubt that the pani was perfectly tuned...

dave · Apr 25, 2012

Agreed on the suspension setup time....in the MCN article Neil Hodgson says just the same. Reckons he would saved a second per lap with proper setup time, but it would still be a second slower than the BMW out of the crate....

I'm not an MCN fan but I do respect Mr Hodgson. What they do acknowledge is that the Duke is the most desirable. Also say it would have beaten the 2011 model.

I don't think we should be toooo surprised that the BMW was quicker on track, but I guess it does make a bit of a mockery of the 'Checkmate' teaser film, which was purely about track supremacy really. Now If they'd have said the German bike was the most desirable, THAT would have been a surprise! They call it 'annoyingly good' which sums it up for me....doesn't sound like something I could grow to love.

Will try and scan now, no promises, the paper is bigger than the scanner....

Wallaroo · Apr 25, 2012

If you dont like the figures.....Then go buy the BMW and join that forum.
This is a forum for passionate Panigale/Ducati buyers and there is nothing worse than hearing people whinging about it because it is not the best on paper.

It takes a little bit of patience and time to set up a Ducati, but once done you WILL have the best bike out there.
Troy Bayliss is off to Monza and Mugello next week.....Wait till you see the figures then.

GCD · Apr 25, 2012

Scott Parker said:
Basically BMW still king on track and road. I know its only one review but a similar story keeps cropping up. Its questioning my purchase, what with being a bit pissed off with delivery time and it being £25k towards my 991 when i already have the S1000rr I'm wondering wether i need this Ducati.......

I can scan a post up if you haven't seen the review

Scott, have you test ridden the pani yet? If not, honest mate you'll put your mcn in the bin. I'm waiting for the Tricolore too and totally agree I'm starting to get pissed off with waiting but, I know it will be worth it in the end. Anyone that knocks your decision to buy this bike are just green with envy!!!

LordRizzo · Apr 25, 2012

the BMW is clearly an incredible machine, however none of the riders fiddled with the 1199'S electronics other than "Race" or "Sport" ...the point of the bikes electronics is to personalize them to fit each individuals riding type (reason why u have over 100 combinations to choose from) with the 20 settings there 4 settings here etc...soo maybe with a more personalized setting the Ducati could of ran a faster lap
just my 2 cents.

ttkarp · Apr 25, 2012

Normally magazine shoot out wins lead to bragging rights...but one look at the Beemer with its horrific colors (red bike with a white face?)
and simply unsightly styling should put a stop to any talk. This will be my first Ducati (4 CBR's prior) and my decision was based partly on the power/weight story, and mostly on the passion it invokes in photos & videos. So, frankly, I don't care if some journalist can lap a second or two faster on something else. BTW, this is one of dozens of comparisons to come, so perhaps people are overreacting a bit?

dave · Apr 25, 2012

Wallaroo, think you might have misunderstood my last post. I'm with you and GCD.....it's still easily the Pani for me.

Anyway....I have scanned the MCN article for anyone that wants to read it. I've only scanned the main content, not all the photos etc, but I can't upload it because of the max file sizes the forum allows. If anyone wants the scans, I can email them, just PM me your email address.

Like I said before, for me the Pani comes out on top even if it's not top of the timing sheets.

dave · Apr 25, 2012

Hang on, seems to be allowing me to upload now, will try again, there are 7 pages.....

dave · Apr 25, 2012

Here are the other 6 pages chaps....

Wallaroo · Apr 25, 2012

Hey Dave no worries mate.....That was directed more at the people thinking of cancelling because of a MCN report and getting the Beemer instead.
Plus it makes it hard for first time Ducati buyers because it puts doubts in their minds and that is a dam shame.

I know I put some ..... up sometimes but I dont go on about other bikes and the problems with the Pani, if any. For me it is Ducati all the way and as far as I am concerned there is no other bike

turnone · Apr 25, 2012

Did we overlook the rule that states we are only allowed to post if the comment is positive?
Chris

Rhino · Apr 25, 2012

Wallaroo said:
For me it is Ducati all the way and as far as I am concerned there is no other bike

I'm exactly the same.
I might be missing out on a lot, but when I was a kid and a 750SS pulled up next to the car, a Duc was all I was going to have. Can't wait for it to get here.

turnone said:
Did we overlook the rule that states we are only allowed to post if the comment is positive?
Chris

Not at all Chris.

Positive and negative are most welcomed.

Being a whiny little bitch is neither of those things.

I'm sure you can tell the difference.

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