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ScrapperX said:
Moto GP uses the M1 not R1. Maybe he is talking about AMA. I know my R1 couldn't scratch either of these bikes in any category.
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that's what I was thinking. I had a 2010 R1, full exhaust, tune etc...cant touch my Pani. great bike just not as good...that's all. lol.
 
Jello said:
Ah man, are we going to have to start a new thread/flame-war on the merits of the WRX STI in terms of price:performance and/or it being an unsung hero?

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This thread is worthless enough to crash on lol


The wrx has a very narrow window of "use" for what it was designed for, that is how it is used.

99% of all buyers abuse the car and use it out of its design. They are horrible road cars and its why we find so many wrecked. Most of the abusers dump money into HP and do nothing to really make the car work out of its context.
 
mark419ny said:
bmw vs audi are you serious. audi had 3 years on the old m 3 to build a competitive rs5 couldnt do it. audi is under powered and over priced compared to bmw. who in their right mind would take audi over bmw?
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Quite easily in fact :)
The RS5 trumped then outgoing M3 and still manages to out muscle,
Only slightly the M3/M4.
 
TAK1 said:
Quite easily in fact :)
The RS5 trumped then outgoing M3 and still manages to out muscle,
Only slightly the M3/M4.
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are you serious with that. the rs5 couldnt touch the then outgoing m3 at all. never in any review period just like the pani cant touch the hp4 in any review ;)
 
RandallNYC said:
Check out this post I saw on another forum. I hope this is nobody from here.





Default Just traded my Panigale S in for a S1000RR
I used to be a car guy. Specifically, I used to be a Subaru WRX guy. After Five different WRXs in Five years, absolute brand loyal all the way a mate urged me to take a new EVO 9 for a test drive. i did. I bought it on the spot. Sometimes brand loyalty can blind you from the truth. That is that a competitor product (in that case the arch rival) is waaaay better.

When it comes to bikes Ive always been a Ducati man.

I had a day off last Thursday. Decided to see what all the hype was about with this BMW. Rocked up to the dealer in Ducati Jacket, Gloves, Helmet and of course my 1199 Panigale S.

Took the the S1000RR for a test ride.

Came back.

Immediately traded the Panigale for the 2014 RR Red Black and White.

In my opinion there is absolutely no contest between these bikes. Why?

The BMW is better built. Sitting on it in the showroom it felt balanced, in fact it felt lighter than the 1199 even though it isn't.

The riding position is much much better than the duc, in particular, you can actually grip the tank. The 1199 is not a riders bike in this regard.

Its smoother. Its faster. Its more nimble. It definitely handles better. its more economical. its cheaper. Its more comfortable, Its more predictable, Its turn in is sharp and accurate. For an average Joe rider like me it is soo much easier to ride. To get anywhere near the same accuracy from the big red Italian I had to commit way more.

It has better brakes by a big distance, it has better lights at night.

I am amazed that a company that hadn't really ever played a role in the sports bike market could get their first real entry so perfect. I think BMW have a problem now - that is how can a sports bike get any better?

I read a lot of comparisons between these bikes. The BMW normally wins. the reasons are now obvious. Over on the 1199 forum there are a lot of brand loyal folk like me. Ignorance is bliss........
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I had a 2011 S1000RR. Upgraded to a 2012 1199S and just upgraded yet again to the 2014 R.

Better lights? LOL... Better brakes? Are you kidding me? The 1199 feels like a 600 on the track. Narrow and nimble. The S1000 was fast but feels as girthy as all the other inline 4's.

#1 1199, #2 RSV4F, #3 S1000RR
 
92GTA said:
I just don't like nearly everything about the BMWs looks, the Panigale is just wet sex, to me.

That and I think all BMW owners are cocks, like who would buy a Beemer or a Merc when you could buy an Audi or a Porsche, just saying haha!

It's all personal preference :cool: Like Lambo or Ferrari, personal taste.......however Ferrari FTW lol, the 458 is also pure wet sex :D
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I have a 2012 BMW 550 M Sport. I like Audis, a close friend has an S8 which I have driven. All nice cars. So what kind of car does a ........... like you drive? ;)
 
mark419ny said:
are you serious with that. the rs5 couldnt touch the then outgoing m3 at all. never in any review period just like the pani cant touch the hp4 in any review ;)
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Yes I am.
Be specific about what you mean! Sure the RS5 might not have had the track poise of a M3. But it makes more power. You did say Audi was underpowered ;)
 
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TAK1 said:
Yes I am.
Be specific about what you mean! Sure the RS5 might not have had the track poise of a M3. But it makes more power. You did say Audi was underpowered ;)
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it does make more power in the rs5 version by i think its 40 hp but its also way heavier than the m3 cant touch it on the track and costs way more money. the s5 gets smoked by the 3 series now 4 series and you want to even mention the price? the a5 is the same price as a 335i with a 2.0t come on now. lets not even talk about the 335 is twin turbo which i have.
 
the rs 5 has the same 450 power engine the rs4 had which got smoked by the m3. the m3 also smoked the c63 around the track. although the c63 smoked the m in straight line. c63 too powerful cant handle. all audi has is a nicer interior.
 
mark419ny said:
bmw vs audi are you serious. audi had 3 years on the old m 3 to build a competitive rs5 couldnt do it. audi is under powered and over priced compared to bmw. who in their right mind would take audi over bmw?
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I wonder if Audi are more worried now the AMG range has gone 4wd-well it has over in the US anyway, we still only get RWD here because Mercedes have an issue with 4WD and RHD on the current models, we have to wait until the next gen.

I had a 2011 M3 and it was a great,well balanced car and so fun to drive, my main dislike of it was it didn't feel very well built, it had a few warranty issues and the dash was rattling after 10k Miles.
 
ibb said:
I wonder if Audi are more worried now the AMG range has gone 4wd-well it has over in the US anyway, we still only get RWD here because Mercedes have an issue with 4WD and RHD on the current models, we have to wait until the next gen.

I had a 2011 M3 and it was a great,well balanced car and so fun to drive, my main dislike of it was it didn't feel very well built, it had a few warranty issues and the dash was rattling after 10k Miles.
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i had an 08 m3 convert and now have a 12 335 is. the is version has the old n54 engine a true twin turbo not twin scroll. and this lovely overboost button when you floor it that gives the car almost 400lbs of torque for 7 seconds.
 
I wouldn't be worried about the US market if I were Audi. Nobody in the US under the age of 60 is going to buy a Merc so it comes down to BMW vs. Audi (not counting the Japanese competition of course). :)
 
mark419ny said:
i had an 08 m3 convert and now have a 12 335 is. the is version has the old n54 engine a true twin turbo not twin scroll. and this lovely overboost button when you floor it that gives the car almost 400lbs of torque for 7 seconds.
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The 335 sounds like a nicer engine to be honest, one thing I didn't like about the M3, after coming from an SL 55 was how much you had to rev it, I love revving a bike to get the best from it but cars are better with low down torque.
 
Capt CF said:
I wouldn't be worried about the US market if I were Audi. Nobody in the US under the age of 60 is going to buy a Merc so it comes down to BMW vs. Audi (not counting the Japanese competition of course). :)
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I don't think that's exactly true, well not in Europe anyway, I can't speak for the US but the C63 and CLS 63 are pretty popular with younger people, if it's the S Class then yes I agree with you 100% but then the same could be said for the 7 series, I think my favourite Audi is the V10 RS6, I don't know why they dropped the saloon(sedan) model for the new one :(.
 

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