Again, which is fine with me. The fact that you accuse me of being a shill shows how out of touch you are with this entire situation, going back to the dissolution of the USSR. This is just a continuation of NATO hegemony after the Cold War. You'd rather have a War, and Russia lose, than sit down and talk terms, and come to an agreement. NATO Expansionism has caused everyone else to react, much to the detriment of everyone else. NATO doesn't even need to exist any more. they should learn to get along with people instead of trying to overthrow governments and install their own puppet dictators, as they did in Ukraine and other Eastern European and Middles Eastern countries. The West doesn't want Peace. They want Dominance. Ain't happening.