‘23 V4S stock forged wheels vs BST wheels

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panibadboy said:
Such a ....... non-sense.

People buying 4k wheels instead of fixing 100 euros fork springs to their weight
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Actually the suspension on my v4r was fully set up for my weight. Custom valved front and back. Also running non-standard fork springs. The effects of reducing unsprung and rotational weight is very different than the effects of swapping fork/shock springs. I’m not sure why you claim what I said is f-ing nonsense. Sounds like you either don’t understand or are, for some reason, trying to dissuade others from buying lightweight wheels.
 
OpenFlash Performance said:
Actually the suspension on my v4r was fully set up for my weight. Custom valved front and back. Also running non-standard fork springs. The effects of reducing unsprung and rotational weight is very different than the effects of swapping fork/shock springs. I’m not sure why you claim what I said is f-ing nonsense. Sounds like you either don’t understand or are, for some reason, trying to dissuade others from buying lightweight wheels.
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The weight of the front wheel you feel in the bars is directly related to trail. When the bike is set up properly a couple of lbs in the wheels wouldn't mean much. The last bike I raced was a 916 (yes i'm fossilesque). The stock front wheel on that bike with a slick of the time weighted about 12,000 lbs. The bike has 90 mm of trail. Only way to get it to turn in the chicanes. You could tune the chassis for the average guy and he'd go just as fast with the forged wheels. Your bike doesn't count cause it's utterly sorted. Of course in the end they'll work better. But $4K worth of improvement?
 
baggerman said:
The weight of the front wheel you feel in the bars is directly related to trail. When the bike is set up properly a couple of lbs in the wheels wouldn't mean much. The last bike I raced was a 916 (yes i'm fossilesque). The stock front wheel on that bike with a slick of the time weighted about 12,000 lbs. The bike has 90 mm of trail. Only way to get it to turn in the chicanes. You could tune the chassis for the average guy and he'd go just as fast with the forged wheels. Your bike doesn't count cause it's utterly sorted. Of course in the end they'll work better. But $4K worth of improvement?
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It’s not 4k worth of improvement if like me you need a 2nd set of wheels anyway, it’s the difference in price say between the Cattiva’s and the BST’s, which is only a few hundred bucks. Or about $1500 bucks between the Marchenesi and the BST.
 
bp_SFV4 said:
I agree proper setup is key but he never said anything against it.
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I think some people might only read what they want to read at times. It does make it difficult to have a constructive discussion though.

baggerman said:
The weight of the front wheel you feel in the bars is directly related to trail. When the bike is set up properly a couple of lbs in the wheels wouldn't mean much. The last bike I raced was a 916 (yes i'm fossilesque). The stock front wheel on that bike with a slick of the time weighted about 12,000 lbs. The bike has 90 mm of trail. Only way to get it to turn in the chicanes. You could tune the chassis for the average guy and he'd go just as fast with the forged wheels. Your bike doesn't count cause it's utterly sorted. Of course in the end they'll work better. But $4K worth of improvement?
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it really makes no sense arguing the value proposition since that will vary from person to person. Also we are buying $30-50k road bikes which 99% of the population work think is silly and most definitely not worth it. So I think it’s equally ill-conceived to suggest that $4k CF rims are a waste of money. Maybe to some. But for others, they are most definitely worth it.

And no where am I suggesting that you should go with CF wheels before a proper set-up. Set up always comes first. And then tweak the set up, if necessary, as you make make other changes or change how/where the bike is ridden. I think that is reasonable, no?

Lastly, please read what im actually saying before telling me im wrong again 😂
 
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andyb said:
what does the internet say?:rolleyes:
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Checked the internet

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OpenFlash Performance said:
Actually the suspension on my v4r was fully set up for my weight. Custom valved front and back. Also running non-standard fork springs. The effects of reducing unsprung and rotational weight is very different than the effects of swapping fork/shock springs. I’m not sure why you claim what I said is f-ing nonsense. Sounds like you either don’t understand or are, for some reason, trying to dissuade others from buying lightweight wheels.
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Hey mate, English is not strongest language but even I could comprehend whats written here

On the road, however, the effects of the BST wheels were more obvious and universally appreciated. More suspension compliance and better bump absorption (due to being able to run less fork and shock damping. Which made the bike more stable over mid corner bumps. With more time spent in the lower gears, the rate of acceleration due to lower MOI, resulted in more effortless acceleration (limited by TC/traction of course). Bike just felt lighter in all respect which was a great thing. The flightiness felt on the track wasn't reproduced on the road due to the lower speeds and lesser lean lean angles. And all these differences were abundantly noticeable on the V4R which already had reasonably light forged rims. I did the same test on my KTM Superduke which came stock with heavy cast boat anchors for wheels. And the difference was truly profound. Even more obvious than the effects I felt on my Duc.


Get suspension sorted on your street bike. I don't care much that you have v4r.
 

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