2104 1199 vs 2106 r1

i would venture to guess every issue with every dealer is different so im glad you get good service. i cant complain about my service at all. funny thing is the duc and the bmw is the same dealer. on another note do you really live in alaska? how is that? great in summer i would assume. how are the roads?

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That's pretty funny im on the bmw sight now and there is nothing there about any of that.


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Given that I also am on the BMW site and have been for 5 years, you are wrong. SOOOOOO many posts about heat, vibration, "veering" quickshifter issues, overheating, camshafts scoring, conrods breaking and the list is endless. You need to brush up on your reading and comprehension skills.

"do you really live in alaska? how is that? great in summer i would assume. how are the roads?"

Yep...Soldotna. I grew up here so it's home...has it's good and bad. As long as you're not in Anchorage...fewer people/traffic. Weather's cooler...nice when you guys are roasting. Winters used to be fun/snowy...now they've warmed up and are usually just a mess.

"The" road is crap. There really is only 1 road...very poor shape...dirty...congested with motorhomes. And...the cops don't have to guess where to patrol. And no tracks.

But...pretty! Go out and play without the dog on a leash...moose...bears sometimes....

MMC it's not an R for sure but can be turned into one for some money lol. But so far right as rain. There are things the Duc does that the r1 just doesn't and vice versa. I just wish someone from Ducati would respond. I've now called and messaged Ducati Italy about it directly since nothing has been said from DNA.

As double 0 said u can almost get 3 for the price of 1


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Given that I also am on the BMW site and have been for 5 years, you are wrong. SOOOOOO many posts about heat, vibration, "veering" quickshifter issues, overheating, camshafts scoring, conrods breaking and the list is endless. You need to brush up on your reading and comprehension skills.

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I'm only here because my S1000 had its Conrod gbolts falling out and BMW were so slow to do anything about it . I sold the Bike to a wildcard WSBK team that wanted to use the current frame they blew two motors that meeting .
I bought a Panigale instead

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wilkson said:

I'm only here because my S1000 had its Conrod gbolts falling out and BMW were so slow to do anything about it . I sold the Bike to a wildcard WSBK team that wanted to use the current frame they blew two motors that meeting .

I bought a Panigale instead

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Wish bmw was a little faster so you wouldn't be here.


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The Ducati certainly has its faults, heat issues, foggy dash, mirrors that are next to useless........although I would probably count the last one as a positive, I don't have to look at the those BMW headlights trying to keep up.

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The Ducati certainly has its faults, heat issues, foggy dash, mirrors that are next to useless........although I would probably count the last one as a positive, I don't have to look at the those BMW headlights trying to keep up.

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pretty funny because the bmw is faster than the ducati so it can keep an eye on you back there.

on another note if you want working mirrors moto science or rizoma both work well

I'm lucky to own an 1199S, 1199R, BMW S1000RR, and probably spent about the same time as the OP on an R1 on the road recently so can give some decent feedback. I've also tracked a 1299S which is a better comparison than the older 1199S. I wasn't going to bother replying as it's a bit of a troll thread but still here you go :

The engine on the BMW is an absolute missile, more comparable to the 1299 or R1 than the 1199. That said the BMW feels a bit of a whale on track in quick direction changes or fast corners and is very much a road bike compared to the 1199S which feels like a proper lightweight racebike and changes direction quicker than even supersport bikes like the Daytona 675 (we have one of these as well) which is one of the best handling bikes out there.

The R1 has a beautiful spread of torque and whilst it is not quite as quick as the BMW I would choose it on track as it's easier to throw around. It's almost as bad as my 1199R to ride in traffic and has bad surges low down so wouldn't recommend it for someone who was commuting every day. This stuff doesn't matter much to me but worth mentioning seeing as people are comparing the two. The overall finish is no where near as good as the Ducati, the R1 looks very traditional 'jap bike' and a little messy and ugly compared to the beauty and attention to detail of the Italian bike.

To choose between an R1 and 1199S would be hard as the R1 is a next generation bike and a fairer comparison would be the 1299S of which I would choose the Ducati. I'd love to have both and certainly wouldn't be upset if I was forced to own the R1!

I had to spend extra cash on rearsets, levers and could do with a higher seat to make the BMW fit my size and style but it's still probably the best road bike and all rounder. I'd prefer the Ducati or R1 on track as I'd rather have the agility over the muscle of the German machine.

None of these bikes are comparable to the new 1199R. That bike is something very special and quite different with it's Superleggera like engine. I didn't appreciate why anyone would pay all that money for a lightweight engine but it is fully justified if you are lucky enough to be able to own it. 180mph feels just as easy to ride as 100mph on any other bike.

I don't understand why these type of threads always revert to chest beating and deciding which kung fu is the best kung fu. Aprilia, Bimmer, Ducati, Honda, Kawi, Suzuki, Yamaha - pick the motorcycle that you prefer because its fastest, best handling, lowest track time in your favorite mag, lightest, prettiest, gets the most chicks or dudes, fits your budget, comes with free swag, etc. Then, ride the sweet piss out of it. But do not feel obligated to justify your purchase to me. Because Willy hears ya. Willy don't care.

That's cause this is a ducati forum and everyone here has to justify their purchase because it's the most expensive while giving you the least bang for your buck


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Funny you say that Mark, because you're on this Ducati forum constantly trying to Justify to people why your just as expensive HP4 is a better bang for the buck.

So what's worse ?

mark419ny said:

That's cause this is a ducati forum and everyone here has to justify their purchase because it's the most expensive while giving you the least bang for your buck


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mark419ny said:

Wish bmw was a little faster so you wouldn't be here.


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The world still needs half wits to make the rest of us look good . Thanks for being one .

I'm on the ducati forum cause it's fun for me. I do t have to justify the bmw purchase if anything I have to justify the ducati purchase. Doesn't matter to me honestly I have both bikes and I like them both for different reasons.
The hp4 is no where near as expensive as the ducati. I have an 1199s after u add all the after market parts it's way more expensive. Rear sets exhaust carbon etc. And don't forget service. It's 30 bucks more an hour for ducati. The bmw one price you are done. Comes perfect.


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That's your choice to put aftermarket parts on the duc. No one is telling you to. And once again, you're trying to justify it to me. Thank you for proving my point over and over.

If u think the bmw is more money than the ducati u have a screw loose. Again not justifying anything and to get the bikes on equal ground u have to add the parts. The bmw comp was 25 that goes against the r which is 30 k more now. So how is it cheaper? Again doesn't matter if the bmw was out first which it wasn't I would have never got a ducati. I got the ducati out of sheer impulse and paid the price. A more expensive and a bike of less quality. That's the bottom line. I got the hp4 cause I loved the bike. I have both im not justifying anything.


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S1000rr is also cheaper than the s and the base I guess I'm making that up. I love mentioning bmw on this forum drives ducati people nuts bwhahaha


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