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Ps- why do you quote the bible if it is a written and re-written document by man

Physcially writen by man, inspired by God - already addressed in previous posts and I provided multiple lines of evidence regarding the 3500 year history and accuracy and veracity of the scripture, as well as fulfilled predictions regarding the Jews and Israel. All were ignored, no response. It's not just a "dusty old book written by men" (endlessly parroted, if I had a dime for every time I heard that one), there is no premium on ignorance and truth isn't based on a poll. It's a world of many fools.
 
I am fine with this argument of yours if you can present concrete and tangible evidence that your God exists ... You have yet to show me any of this ....
At the end of the day it's not up to the non believers to prove God doesn't exist because ...since it hasn't come to reveal itself, It's up to you to show me the material and quoting the Old Testament or New Testament is so archaic .....words by man are not gods words so it's a real unless case of "here say"

Let this God of yours come forth .., tell it to contact us ... Where is is this so called "second coming "....

You will never ever convince me or others that there is a God, unless it materializes and shows itself and since this has yet to happen ....

No Sale....
 
Goes both ways
But you can't make such claims that your God exists when there is no intrinsic and materialistic proof
No visuals ..... Nothing
You're going by faith
And that is totally up to you...
But it's blind faith as you have yet to show me your God. Conversely since your God refuses to show itself, I deduct that it doesn't exist by preponderance of the "evidence"

I'm at the end of writing my PhD and I can assure you
If I made grandiose claims that I couldn't back up they would kick me out of Grad school...

Once again I respect you're opinion and your intellect but fail to meet with you on this matter

Perhaps it's time for you to preach to the clergy and not us "sinners "...
 
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Yes, it goes both ways - let me turn this around:

1) Prove to be the universe came into existence via a "big bang", and articulate why you believe the big bang is true - aside from "that's what x guy with a few letters after their name or the media is pushing as fact", no, why do you believe it? I might add, although Einstein did not believe the scripture, but was absolutely a Creationist.

2) Prove to me bacteria morphed into human beings over "millions of years" driven by an unspeakably vast array of precision sequenced mutations. Explain why the fossil record shows a complete lack of failed "transitions" in the record (when there should be uncountable numbers), instead creatures eseentially identical to modern life, or now extinct. Also why all studied mutations are overwhelmingly deleterious in the real world and cannot possibly cause cross family-genus "jumps" during reproduction as common descent hypothesis demands.

In the end, you sit idly from the grandstands and want to be spoon fed answers, but you believe what you are told by the media, professors, or ignorant friends who don't have the slightest clue and certainly aren't conducting their own origins research.

In the end (what a shock), it's all about faith, regardless of what you believe - I don't put my faith in puny men who weren't there, are here today and rotting corpses tomorrow. You can do that, but you will be disappointed, and life is short.

I am not an atheist, and I don’t think I can call myself a pantheist. We are in the position of a little child entering a huge library filled with books in many languages. The child knows someone must have written those books. It does not know how. It does not understand the languages in which they are written. The child dimly suspects a mysterious order in the arrangement of the books but doesn’t know what it is. That, it seems to me, is the attitude of even the most intelligent human being toward God. We see the universe marvelously arranged and obeying certain laws but only dimly understand these laws. Our limited minds grasp the mysterious force that moves the constellations.’ (Quoted in M. Jammer, Einstein and Religion, Princeton 1999, p. 48.)

'Then there are the fanatical atheists whose intolerance is the same as that of the religious fanatics, and it springs from the same source. They are like slaves who are still feeling the weight of their chains which they have thrown off after hard struggle. They are creatures who - in their grudge against the traditional "opium for the people" - cannot bear the music of the spheres. The Wonder of nature does not becomes smaller because one cannot measure it by the standards of human moral and human aims.' (ibid, p. 97.)
 
True

We as scientists are baffled by the beginning and structures of the composition of the universe ...

But that's our mankind's limitations.....

The God belief doesn't seem to follow in the same characteristics of a super intelligent entity that could make the universe but at the same time wait for billions of years to create man ?

Why the wait !?? Boredom set in ???

To me it just doesn't add up
In one hand super intelligent and responsible for the universe's complex genealogy and in the other hand a god that tests man and punishes him for not following rules.... Why are there rules and consequences ? So much for " free will" ...

And a god that gets , what a sadistic pleasure of pushing human's buttons ?? Asking Abraham to kill his own son Isaac ? Sounds almost masochistic if not perverse...


It's oil and water in this god's ruling .... He creates masterpieces like the universe that man can't explain whilst acting like a barbaric dictator....
 
As for your questions for me, I can't disprove any of it.... But as I said, this will always go back and forth..,
But until your God comes forth and introduces itself to us non believers ... It's up to you by the preponderance of the evidence to prove "it" exists or else, any one can make outlandish "delusions grandeur" of a statement and claim...

Look at Scientology and what they believe ....
Even though it sounds insane, going by your belief system in "faith " Scientology's doctrine must also be true ....
 
When God "comes forth" the time of faith and grace is over and Judgment begins - it's too late then.

God ordained the test of faith, like it or not, for the ultimate objective of establishing endurance and perseverance, these are continual themes of the scripture. Contrary to popular belief, it's an extremely pragmatic lifestyle - discipline, self control, endurance, faith, hope, love (self sacrficing love) - all will be rewarded in time.

Existentialism is the easy way, and appealing to humanists, but it's hopeless. I don't attend funerals for loved ones as a hopeless person, this life isn't it, it's the bootcamp of eternity.

Hebrews 11 sums it up:

...and without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him.
 
FZr ... Why do you have to "please" God?

You only have one life, don't be a parrot repeat what is told to you...

The very fact that you ride a $25,000 1299 shows me that you have already broken one of Moses's commandments written by your "God"...
"'Thou Shalt Not Have Any Gods Before Me".. Jesus was supposedly a beggar and probably didn't believe in Mammon.. And yet you ride this flashy bike ..i can also see you have a flashy red car in your avatar..You could have very well purchased a cheap inexpensive frugal Honda or Yamaha and yet you went for a God of "Gold" ...... ?
 
The 1299 isn't a "god" to me, it's just a motorcycle - a hobby - nothing wrong with that

We believe a Judgment awaits all men (and women) - an individual, personal assessment by God, where all must "give an account of things done in the body, whether good or bad". You can't be justified by works, but there is less suffering for some compared to others.
 
a super intelligent entity that could make the universe but at the same time wait for billions of years to create man?

Already addressed - "billions of years" is mythology. Light from distant stars is a measure of distance, not time. During the creation event, there is evidence the universe expanded faster than the speed of light, and time was irrelevant - in fact it did not exist as we understand it

The present heavens and earth will "wear out like a garment" , be uncreated, go out of existence and a new heavens and earth will be created, the present age is a flimsy page in an endless volume. Think bigger. Your god is tiny. The true God is infinite beyond any comprehension.

The search for "alien life" is more futile, evolutionary based wishful thinking.
 
Why is a $25,000 motorcycle needed for a hobby?
Unless you are a track rider and can get the full limit out of these bikes...I believe you have also purchased it whether you like it or not (probably the same as your car(s) )with ego .. And in my opinion, that is a "false God" since you have subconsciously worshiped and given in to your "wants" of a exuberant nature.
 
Already addressed - "billions of years" is mythology. Light from distant stars is a measure of distance, not time. During the creation event, there is evidence the universe expanded faster than the speed of light, and time was irrelevant - in fact it did not exist as we understand it

The present heavens and earth will "wear out like a garment" , be uncreated, go out of existence and a new heavens and earth will be created, the present age is a flimsy page in an endless volume. Think bigger. Your god is tiny. The true God is infinite beyond any comprehension.

The search for "alien life" is more futile, evolutionary based wishful thinking.

So no other alien life exists ? We are the only ones in the universe??

Once again a most archaic of arguments.. What's next, the sun revolves around the Earth and we are at the Center of the Universe?

Didn't they find bacteria on Mars:).. I believe that is a microorganism:eek:
 
No other life in the universe - the present universe will go out of existence and a new one will be created based on God's timetable for this planet and this human race. If there are "aliens", they will be incinerated - but again, such beliefs are another by-product of the "life is a product of random chaos" belief system, which has zero basis in empirical science (unlike solar system dynamics)

Life isn't the product of chaos, it is an exquistely fine tuned engineering marvel, and extremely fragile. All other explored worlds are one desolate, inhospitable rock after another....back to faith
 
No other life in the universe - the present universe will go out of existence and a new one will be created based on God's timetable for this planet and this human race. If there are "aliens", they will be incinerated - but again, such beliefs are another by-product of the "life is a product of random chaos" belief system, which has zero basis in empirical science (unlike solar system dynamics)

Life isn't the product of chaos, it is an exquistely fine tuned engineering marvel, and extremely fragile. All other explored worlds are one desolate, inhospitable rock after another....back to faith


And you know this because....?? These are massive claims and you should really back it up with concrete evidence... Where did find this information ??
 
You're making the claim for alien life, not me - where is your evidence? I don't need to prove a negative, "alien life" is unsupported by all observations to date

You know, actual "science"?
 
Voice box man raised some cash to go looking - he's wasting his time, decaying in his wheelchair, believing in nonsense
 

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