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Brad said:
Brad P51,

I wish you well in your quest;)
I would be very surprised indeed, to find you didn't get the update.

Like I said, I've already got the update from late 2012, and the one after that in early 2013.
I think the information I have thus provided in this thread(and another) to that effect, would be more than sufficient to allay any ongoing doubts in that regard, for any reasonable minded recipient to be satisfied, without the need to keep reiterating the information in order for it to sink in.
Sadly thus far it hasn't been the case.


I wasn't going to mention it, and let it slide.
But seeing as you've brought it up again, regarding the outcome of your contact with my dealer.

You made the strong suggestion in your PM that you sent me, that it was your intent to contact my dealer by telephone, and check up on me like I am some naughty school kid that was suspected of telling lies.
You asserted in your PM, that you were intending to call the dealer regarding the scope of work that was performed on my bike, and ascertain a factual account in order to establish the veracity of the information in my post.
In my reply, I believe I suggested to you it was not a necessity(in the nicest possible way). And continued(in good faith) to participate in informative dialogue with you on the matter.
You obviously proceeded regardless in your blind "pursuit of the truth".
When you already had the truth.

Just so you know.
After you posted your "myth busting" thread in an attempt to be-bunk and discredit my well intentioned claims for the benefit of other forum members.

I called the Dealer Principal to apologise for any disruption to the normal flow of work in the w/shop caused by the pointless call you made to them.

He told me who actually took the call.
As it turns out.
The tech that answered your inquiry didn't even lay a hand on my bike on the day.
Although he's has been the only person up until that point in time, who has worked on my bike(other than myself).

The good fellow was in fact, working on a Vespa all the time I was there, and wasn't involved in the process. At all.
He was only in the w/shop in the general vicinity.
He was minding his own business, on his own job, as the conscientious sort of person that he is.

It's a pity you didn't get to speak to the tech that "actually" did the recall work along with installing the update on my bike as I have previously reported.
He could've told you that it was titled "Fuel Injector Parameters"(or something to that effect), and that he'd never seen it before my bike came in. Let alone installed it on a bike up to that point in time.
As I've said in one of the earlier posts, he was more surprised about it than I was.
I personally was sort of expecting it, on the advise we all had received from another forum member a couple of weeks prior.
I was simply happy to be getting an update, and from the description of it at the time I felt the advise we had received from our friend on this good forum, it was possibly on the right path to help him solve an issue he was having with his bike.
I am glad that it turns out to be so.

Further to my apology to the dealer Principal.
The Dealer Principal graciously said not to worry about it, we get all sorts ringing up here for the strangest of reasons and issues.

I'm still a bit embarrassed about it regardless. And I feel as though I owe them one for being so tolerant.
And because they're a small dealership with limited human resources.
I understand how disruptions to the normal w/shop flow can unnecessarily eat away at their operation in the smallest of ways.
In taking your call the tech was taken out of the w/shop away from his duties.

If you've ever worked on other peoples bikes for a living as a tech.
You may have had it drummed into you, that disruptions are a recipe for making mistakes due to a break in train of thought.

I'm certain you wouldn't appreciate it if a tech had made a mistake or forgot something on your bike that led to parts coming loose or leaks etc, etc.
And you probably wouldn't care that his train of thought was compromised for any reason.
No matter how important the issue was to some caller, who was getting to the bottom of some matter and to establish the veracity of some well intentioned information, that was posted in good faith on the internet.

You see, as a customer.
You are prone to naturally think that your bike is the only bike in the world.
At least, that's what I was told when doing my apprenticeship.
And by extension, you want top level service at all times, with absolutely no errors in workmanship what so ever.
Especially given the amount you paid for it.
These DUCATI's don't come cheap you know;)
And did I mention you are also inclined to be the only customer as well?


To summarize.
Well mate, you ended up getting to speak to somebody who really couldn't help you any more than I could.
You have caused disruption to a legitimate commercial enterprise.
You also got some inaccurate verbal information(which I have corrected) from someone who didn't actually have anything to do with the process.
And then misinterpreted and regurgitated the information with your own spin on it to this forum.
IMO, your efforts so far have only been an instrument for causing unnecessary confusion, and muddied the waters to no advantage for anyone.
It's this forum community that is clearly poorer for it on a number of levels.

As I've said, I do sincerely hope you get the update for your benefit:)
Then you can enjoy your bike as much as the rest of us who have it.
If you already have it, then good for you Sir;)
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What so now you are the forum police. When I called the dealer, we spent about 2 mins discussing whether there was an update. And I was told this even before I mentioned your post on the forum. Only after I was told there was no update I told the mechanic about your post. We then talked about a few other things and bikes from the 1970's.
The guy was in no hurry to get off the phone he and and were both enjoying the conversation.

So who are you to accuse me of "You have caused disruption to a legitimate commercial enterprise." FFS what frogshit. When you post stuff it better be factual or you are sending people on wild goose chases spending time asking dealers about stuff that does not exist. Guys are taking bikes to the dealer to get the holy grail update that fixes the world and it does not exist.

I think the reason you sent me the long winded PM was to dissuade me from calling the dealer and getting the facts. Long time ago you posted something about receiving an email or letter and I asked you for a scan of it because I had not received it. Your answer to me was you could not scan. I suspected then you were full of it.

I think you are a pretty insecure bloke that just loves the self appointed importance you get on this forum. You post on every subject and half the time its just dribble. When I asked you to once explain one of your posts about brake fluid you wrote pages and pages of crap and never once answered the question I asked in the first place. You are always so sure of yourself. A typical example was the "No starbucks in Australia post". You are even an expert in how Ducati should run its dealer business. That was the longest post of crap I have ever read on the forum. Is there nothing you are not an expert in.

You have a big post count but most of it is just ..... Let people on this forum be their own judge about what is misinformation and what is not. If anyone has caused unnecessary confusion, its you, with your holy grail exaggeration of what was an old update did to your bike.

You took the gloves off mate with this last post about me. So be prepared every time you talk .... on this forum I will call you out. Game on brother. You made it personal.
 
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I'm taking my bike for the 600miles service next week. The dealer said they need my VIN number to see if any updates are available for the bike.
I'm in Michigan and I will post here any "true" information about it.
Bike goes next Friday..let's see.
 
Brad said:
Brad P51,

I wish you well in your quest;)
I would be very surprised indeed, to find you didn't get the update.

Like I said, I've already got the update from late 2012, and the one after that in early 2013.
I think the information I have thus provided in this thread(and another) to that effect, would be more than sufficient to allay any ongoing doubts in that regard, for any reasonable minded recipient to be satisfied, without the need to keep reiterating the information in order for it to sink in.
Sadly thus far it hasn't been the case.


Blah Blah ....... Blah, whine, nonsense, whine more, nonsense"¦


To summarize.
Well mate, you ended up getting to speak to somebody who really couldn't help you any more than I could.
You have caused disruption to a legitimate commercial enterprise.
You also got some inaccurate verbal information(which I have corrected) from someone who didn't actually have anything to do with the process.
And then misinterpreted and regurgitated the information with your own spin on it to this forum.
IMO, your efforts so far have only been an instrument for causing unnecessary confusion, and muddied the waters to no advantage for anyone.
It's this forum community that is clearly poorer for it on a number of levels.

As I've said, I do sincerely hope you get the update for your benefit:)
Then you can enjoy your bike as much as the rest of us who have it.
If you already have it, then good for you Sir;)
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Brad, unfortunately someone had to quote you in their reply, or I would not have ever seen this nonsense (Everyone should have you on their blocked list, you serve absolutely no function in life). Then after I read this I immediately thought of a TV show here in the USA that was popular in the 1990's called "In Living Color""¦One of the skits on it had two guys who were totally ghetto trash, but would use ridiculously large words, that sort of made sense, but sounded idiotic in their context. You resemble them in your effort to sound intelligent and well spoken.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAguP-zY2AA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Izpa9D7c77U

NOLA !
 
I'll add to this only in confirmation that there is no update.. my dealer in indy is getting my bike next week to get the fork seals replaced on warranty. They always hook up the bikes to see if there are any updates just because.. they have done many 1199 in the last few weeks and nothing.. unless is was a older 2012 model that hasn't been in for a awhile it got the 0206 update...
But my 2013 will be hooked up next week for giggles. I'll post up to on the supposed grail of updates..
Ps.. I love the bike the way it is. So I doubt anything is out there
 
This thread has got a bit out of control. I chased up Ducati AU again today and they obviously spoke to my dealer.

I spoke to them later today as I'm waiting for a small part so they still have the bike. They had been contacted by the boss-man Craig McMartin at Ducati Australia in Sydney (after I emailed him) and he was pretty clear that this was a very specific setting for the 41T sprocket (which was the original advice Craig gave me at the track when he said that as my sprocket was after-market and not fitted by a dealer they would not have applied the appropriate settings for the 41T).

My bike already had the 0206 map from November '13 but as the man said, the bike would still be running like it had a 39T, which would have the potential to cause the 'snappy' hair trigger throttle I was experiencing. This is the update to the 'settings' that I am chasing.

Whether or not there is a new 'MAP' is a whole other thing, the point that was made to me was that it was a settings issue within the existing most recent (2013) map. Ultimately the ECU just needs to be 'told' that the rear sprocket has two more teeth and that's pretty much it.

I'm not looking for or expecting any improvement in fuelling or low rev smoothness, other than default changes that the 41T may give, I was only ever looking for a solution for the crap throttle modulation that made track riding difficult.

I think this is where the confusion has crept in but and I wouldn't be surprised if the map is the same one I had but just set up correctly. The confusion about maps has always existed and someone going from 0205 to 0206 will feel an improvement, which is probably why some seem to be experiencing an improvement.

Blessed be the cheesemakers ;)
 
TwiztedRabbit said:
I'll add to this only in confirmation that there is no update.. my dealer in indy is getting my bike next week to get the fork seals replaced on warranty. They always hook up the bikes to see if there are any updates just because.. they have done many 1199 in the last few weeks and nothing.. unless is was a older 2012 model that hasn't been in for a awhile it got the 0206 update...
But my 2013 will be hooked up next week for giggles. I'll post up to on the supposed grail of updates..
Ps.. I love the bike the way it is. So I doubt anything is out there
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There has to be, it says so on the internet...
 
I was in the shop with 1199S ABS by2012, latest update it received was 05/2013. For me it's a new bike, just bought it in winter time and wanted it completely up-to-date before starting the riding season in Europe.

=> 41 sprocket, longer chain and a new mapping to work with the new sprocket were installed. The upmap update was mentioned as a to-do in the VIN history of the bike. I am pretty sure that was all that needed to be done since 05/2013. Chain and sprocket were 150€, only needed to pay for the parts.

The bike now runs just perfect to my opinion, i had a 1098S before and many times have been reading that the 1199 feels less strong in the low revs.

I can say, i am not missing my 1098S for a second, very pleased with how it performs today, what a bike!!! :D
 
bradp51 said:
There were a few other comments made about you by the guy I spoke to but I am not going to repeat them here.
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Oh come on! Is this your version of the scanner issue? You might as well have said "Sorry, I can't repeat them, I don't have ears".
 
Been to the dealer last friday for oil change and rear tire swap, no update available on the DDS and the last time the Pani went to the dealer was last july...

The service was awesome though, very cool tech and service manager, for those in Quebec, I strongly recommemd Moto Vanier.
 
LiveFast4Ever said:
Been to the dealer last friday for oil change and rear tire swap, no update available on the DDS and the last time the Pani went to the dealer was last july...

The service was awesome though, very cool tech and service manager, for those in Quebec, I strongly recommemd Moto Vanier.
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I'm guessing you go to Calaboogie to race?
That's my favorite track
 
Just had my 2014 1199 S in the shop on Saturday for its first 600 mile service. No update at all and yes they plugged it in I saw it with my own eyes. It was the first thing they did. With that said Who is on first!
 
So in the interest of keeping this thread alive, would you guys like me to start posting screen shots of our DDS system on every Panigale we plug in over the next year?? It will kind of be like a scratch-off lottery ticket every time, you won't know what you're going to get until you scratch it off! You guys could even start wagering on whether the next bike is going to be the one that finally pulls the magical update!! :D:D:D
 
We have to get this thread to page 15!

There's an update??? .... better go into Ducati and plug it in :)
 
Got the bike back today, brand new 41T and 525 chain, and with the latest ECU settings for the sprocket (apparently)

Haven't taken it for a long run but this is what's different:

- Smother quick shifting at lower and higher rpm
- smoother take off at lower speed

The bike still feels like the throttle response is surgy which is really the only thing I was hoping would be different but I need to run it a bit longer before I say there's no difference.

Looking forward to getting away from the city to ride it properly!
 

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