Hmmmmm, Mixed review and feelings about the Panigale in MCN against the others

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today, even when buying a full suspension (or just front suspended) mountainbike, the first thing you do (or the dealer does), is to adjust the settings to your weight and your riding preferences...

why do people forget about that when buying a high performance motorcycle?
 
Phil said:
today, even when buying a full suspension (or just front suspended) mountainbike, the first thing you do (or the dealer does), is to adjust the settings to your weight and your riding preferences...

why do people forget about that when buying a high performance motorcycle?
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Well for one thing, the rider doesn't weigh ten times what the bike does, but yeah - ditto. I say the same thing about ergo adjustability; heck, you drop $10K on a swank carbon road bike and the first thing you do is get fitted for proper position, right down to the mm, because it'll ride like a POS if it doesn't fit. With motos, everyone's always talking about how we should just get used to sportbikes being uncomfortable, having too much weight on your wrists, do core workouts, etc. As a long-time cyclist, I've gotta call BS on that one; motorcycle manufacturers are still way behind the curve on offering adjustable ergos stock. KTM are probably leading the way on that at the moment in sportbikes with the RC8R, and even that's pretty limited. I think the idea of having to drop another $500-$1000 to get adjustable rearsets on a $20K+ bike is (or should be) just nuts.

/Rant off ;)
 
Steve B said:
Well for one thing, the rider doesn't weigh ten times what the bike does, but yeah - ditto. I say the same thing about ergo adjustability; heck, you drop $10K on a swank carbon road bike and the first thing you do is get fitted for proper position, right down to the mm, because it'll ride like a POS if it doesn't fit. With motos, everyone's always talking about how we should just get used to sportbikes being uncomfortable, having too much weight on your wrists, do core workouts, etc. As a long-time cyclist, I've gotta call BS on that one; motorcycle manufacturers are still way behind the curve on offering adjustable ergos stock. KTM are probably leading the way on that at the moment in sportbikes with the RC8R, and even that's pretty limited. I think the idea of having to drop another $500-$1000 to get adjustable rearsets on a $20K+ bike is (or should be) just nuts.

/Rant off ;)
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Well if they gave you everything to make the bike comfortable - how would they sell all their comfy seats and other gear ;)
 
tstephenson said:
Well if they gave you everything to make the bike comfortable - how would they sell all their comfy seats and other gear ;)
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Exactly! Their gain = our loss. And they even have us crowing about the cool parts we bought for no other reason than to make up for their omissions, when we should be demanding better for our money as consumers. Can't blame 'em I guess, so long as we keep queuing up with ca$h in hand.

Imagine buying a nice Audi with a fixed-position, non-adjustable seat and steering wheel and then dropping a couple of $k on aftermarket bits just so it's not uncomfortable/awkward to drive. Don't think so...
 
Steve B said:
Well for one thing, the rider doesn't weigh ten times what the bike does, but yeah - ditto. I say the same thing about ergo adjustability; heck, you drop $10K on a swank carbon road bike and the first thing you do is get fitted for proper position, right down to the mm, because it'll ride like a POS if it doesn't fit. With motos, everyone's always talking about how we should just get used to sportbikes being uncomfortable, having too much weight on your wrists, do core workouts, etc. As a long-time cyclist, I've gotta call BS on that one; motorcycle manufacturers are still way behind the curve on offering adjustable ergos stock. KTM are probably leading the way on that at the moment in sportbikes with the RC8R, and even that's pretty limited. I think the idea of having to drop another $500-$1000 to get adjustable rearsets on a $20K+ bike is (or should be) just nuts.

/Rant off ;)
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I agree with your last statement...a bike of this caliber should have adjustable rear sets....I liked that about the 999.

But come on now, it's a superbike for crying out loud...I don't want it too comfy, that takes away from "Man and Machine" :). Just like too many electronics, I like where Ducati has gone with the Pani but any more than that it just a damn luxury bike lol
 
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DUCENZO said:
I agree with your last statement...a bike of this caliber should have adjustable rear sets....I liked that about the 999.

But come on now, it's a superbike for crying out loud...I don't want it too comfy, that takes away from "Man and Machine" :). Just like too many electronics, I like where Ducati has gone with the Pani but any more than that it just a damn luxury bike lol
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It's not so much about "comfort" really as about being properly positioned for optimum handling. People talk about bikes' CG's and weight distribution all the time, but what they forget it that people have personal CG's and natural balance points too. Stand sideways next to a mirror and bend over. You'll see your butt move back without even thinking about it, since you're conditioned to automatically balance yourself. Try doing it with standing with your back against a wall and you'll feel off-balance and awkward, and will feel your core muscles being worked hard to compensate. Sound familiar? that's what happens when you introduce fixed contact points that don't allow you to stay balanced. So the real point is being balanced on the bike and spreading your weight evenly between hands, butt and feet. I've spent 5-6hr, 200K+ days on a road bicycle with far more reach and drop to the bars than any sportbike, and felt balanced and "comfortable" the whole time. And I guarantee you'll feel better in the corners on a bike that's dialed in to your personal anatomy than an off-the floor model.
 
Spilly1199 said:
Here's another link to Scott Russell's interview after riding the 1199 for the first time
http://video.ak.fbcdn.net/cfs-ak-sn..._=1336711712_412b26630c6052fe5bc0f346fb882d4c

Pretty unusual for a racer to say a road bike is "an amazing motorcycle". He also says it has "great power, so strong"
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Now that was cool. The interview sounded like what I imagine happens when a racer comes in and talks with his crew chief in the big leagues. :)
And Scott Russell obviously has some credibility when it comes to riding bikes.
 
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I like how the ZX10 secretly flies under everyone's radar on all these reviews....cause it's a lowly kawasaki. The new zx is an awesome bike and a rival to the beemer with an ECU flash.
 
Race results seem to get bikes on my radar, and the ZX-10 is making a good sized splash this year. That's probably why I rarely give the BMW much thought, other than, "WTF, why can't that bike win a race."
 
jjmontesanto said:
Race results seem to get bikes on my radar, and the ZX-10 is making a good sized splash this year. That's probably why I rarely give the BMW much thought, other than, "WTF, why can't that bike win a race."
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thats exactly how i feel BUUUT the kwak was definitely born a ugly duckling LOL
 
It's about time! :roll eyes: :)

I'm in S.A., so I don't get to watch these things unfortunately.
 
gnance said:
I like how the ZX10 secretly flies under everyone's radar on all these reviews....cause it's a lowly kawasaki. The new zx is an awesome bike and a rival to the beemer with an ECU flash.
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Up till now the zx10r has proberbly been the best bike ive ever owned, awesome power just seemed to pull and pull, never ever gets the credit it deserved then or proberbly with the new bike now.
 
Steve B said:
It's not so much about "comfort" really as about being properly positioned for optimum handling. People talk about bikes' CG's and weight distribution all the time, but what they forget it that people have personal CG's and natural balance points too. Stand sideways next to a mirror and bend over. You'll see your butt move back without even thinking about it, since you're conditioned to automatically balance yourself. Try doing it with standing with your back against a wall and you'll feel off-balance and awkward, and will feel your core muscles being worked hard to compensate. Sound familiar? that's what happens when you introduce fixed contact points that don't allow you to stay balanced. So the real point is being balanced on the bike and spreading your weight evenly between hands, butt and feet. I've spent 5-6hr, 200K+ days on a road bicycle with far more reach and drop to the bars than any sportbike, and felt balanced and "comfortable" the whole time. And I guarantee you'll feel better in the corners on a bike that's dialed in to your personal anatomy than an off-the floor model.
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Agreed. And if you talk to someone who races endurance comfort comes into play. A comfortable rider is a relaxed rider and therefore a fast rider. The performance levels of these machines no longer dictates the need to be uncomfortable. Look at the CBR and GSXR as good examples of this. Look at the MV as the worst. Meanwhile the performance advantage in this case goes to the Japanese.
 

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