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+1, I'm lame enough to have left a comment on the picture asking that they at least try the P setting and see how it does. I doubt they read those those comments though.
Hmmmmm, Mixed review and feelings about the Panigale in MCN against the others
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+1, I'm lame enough to have left a comment on the picture asking that they at least try the P setting and see how it does. I doubt they read those those comments though.
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Lets hope they do, i did left a comment abt that somewhere too. =(
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Ducati 1199 Panigale Horsepower Torque - Sport Bike Blog - Motorcycle USA
I'm starting to wonder if US models may be restricted in some way. Any insights?
I'm starting to wonder if US models may be restricted in some way. Any insights?
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Usually that happens, for instance the US cbr1 get like 80% max throttle from 10,000+ rpm onwards, i'm sure the zx10r there are restricted too.
Then again the graph looks pretty legit to me.. at least the plot is very similiar to the one ducati posted.
http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/82208...012-Suzuki-GSX-1300R-Hayabusa-Comparison.aspx
Looks like bmw still posted higher horsepowers haha
I guess the higher rev ceilling of bmw makes a big difference.
http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/67360...11-Ducati-Superbike-1198-Track-Smackdown.aspx
Appears the the 1198 power is consistant btw plots by motorcycle usa, we can conclude that the panigale fits somewhere high up =)
Pretty impressive for a vtwin!
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Some might need some stuff called erm.. timing retard eliminator or something. =X
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Ok boys (& girls), picked up my 1199S ABS tonight after the launch party here on Melnourne. Just rode it home.
Two words: .... ME!!
Beleive me when I say I'm a real fussy ....... - if something's not quite right I can't dismiss it, but this thing is to me perfect - except that perfect makes it sound like it lacks soul - which it has in spades!
Ok, it's taking some discipline to make the time to post thoughts but here goes:
- Engine - feels very similar to the 1198 to 6000rpm - doesn't seem to be missing anything to me but the engine spins up quicker & with less (read no) vibration
- Quickshifter - awesome - even at low speeds, felt like I was in a video game
- Handling - shock set to P in Sports mode it felt a lot more stable to me over bumps than the 1198 which would kick me outa the seat at times over bumps. At this stage better & lighter
- Brakes - super powerful but with MUCH more feel than the '98 which had great brakes but they felt kinda wooden in comparison
- Trans - way slicker shift, just as direct but doesn't hurt your toe like the '98 which demanded boots. Clutch a lot lighter & more progressive
- Sound - like a '98 with full system but I reckon even better - less clutch rattle & more mechanical engine noise at idle. When I got into my garage tonight it was idling with my helmet on & my eardrums seriously felt like they were gonns burst - really hurt! My 98 was fine on the ears with helmet off. No need for Termi's sound wise in my opinion
- Ergos - SO much better. Once feet / weight are on the pegs the shock doesn't press on left thigh. Easier to rest feet on ground when stopped. Biggest thing is almost no weight on bars. Once moving all the weight is on pegs/thighs/tank - if you didn't need to twist the throttle you could seriously ride no hands - so much so that I too my left hand off while quickshifting & it made no difference. No stretch at all to the bars so no pressure on lower back
The biggest thing though was how much better it was in traffic around town. Wher the '98 was super lumpy & generally unhappy under 80kph (even with smaller front sprocket), the Pani is perfectly happy cruising around at low speeds like <20kph in 2nd gear! I left it in 2nd with clutch out all the way to 5kph up to a red light before pulling clutch in. On the 98 I was always feathering the clutch in 1st gear & had massive vibrations - the Pani seriously doesn't vibrate! I remember the 98 fairing / mirrors vibrating like crazy, but not the Pani. And trying to ride in 5th or 6th under 100kph on a 98 the bike felt like it was going to either stall or shake itself to pieces - the Pani is fine in 6th at 70kph!
I've had a few instances of motorcycling nirvana, tonight was one of them and it was only a 10km ride home. And this is not placebo talking - if that was gona happen it woulda been on the 98 which was my first bike in 5 yrs & my first ever Duke. But much as I grew to love it, it was never quite right - beautiful but flawed. The Pami is like taking all the good bits of the 98, making them better & adding a dash of more - and I haven't even revved it past 6000 yet!!
For anyone waiting, hang in there, it's worth the wait. I don't give a hoot what the mags say - anyone who says anything negative about this bike is either an idiot or has an agenda. For anyone considering buying one, I realise it's a lot of coin so I don't say this lightly, but if you buy one & don't like it I'll eat my hat. A 10km test ride will cure all doubts or your not human.
I'm a happy Vegemite - Ducati have really nailed it with this one.
Two words: .... ME!!
Beleive me when I say I'm a real fussy ....... - if something's not quite right I can't dismiss it, but this thing is to me perfect - except that perfect makes it sound like it lacks soul - which it has in spades!
Ok, it's taking some discipline to make the time to post thoughts but here goes:
- Engine - feels very similar to the 1198 to 6000rpm - doesn't seem to be missing anything to me but the engine spins up quicker & with less (read no) vibration
- Quickshifter - awesome - even at low speeds, felt like I was in a video game
- Handling - shock set to P in Sports mode it felt a lot more stable to me over bumps than the 1198 which would kick me outa the seat at times over bumps. At this stage better & lighter
- Brakes - super powerful but with MUCH more feel than the '98 which had great brakes but they felt kinda wooden in comparison
- Trans - way slicker shift, just as direct but doesn't hurt your toe like the '98 which demanded boots. Clutch a lot lighter & more progressive
- Sound - like a '98 with full system but I reckon even better - less clutch rattle & more mechanical engine noise at idle. When I got into my garage tonight it was idling with my helmet on & my eardrums seriously felt like they were gonns burst - really hurt! My 98 was fine on the ears with helmet off. No need for Termi's sound wise in my opinion
- Ergos - SO much better. Once feet / weight are on the pegs the shock doesn't press on left thigh. Easier to rest feet on ground when stopped. Biggest thing is almost no weight on bars. Once moving all the weight is on pegs/thighs/tank - if you didn't need to twist the throttle you could seriously ride no hands - so much so that I too my left hand off while quickshifting & it made no difference. No stretch at all to the bars so no pressure on lower back
The biggest thing though was how much better it was in traffic around town. Wher the '98 was super lumpy & generally unhappy under 80kph (even with smaller front sprocket), the Pani is perfectly happy cruising around at low speeds like <20kph in 2nd gear! I left it in 2nd with clutch out all the way to 5kph up to a red light before pulling clutch in. On the 98 I was always feathering the clutch in 1st gear & had massive vibrations - the Pani seriously doesn't vibrate! I remember the 98 fairing / mirrors vibrating like crazy, but not the Pani. And trying to ride in 5th or 6th under 100kph on a 98 the bike felt like it was going to either stall or shake itself to pieces - the Pani is fine in 6th at 70kph!
I've had a few instances of motorcycling nirvana, tonight was one of them and it was only a 10km ride home. And this is not placebo talking - if that was gona happen it woulda been on the 98 which was my first bike in 5 yrs & my first ever Duke. But much as I grew to love it, it was never quite right - beautiful but flawed. The Pami is like taking all the good bits of the 98, making them better & adding a dash of more - and I haven't even revved it past 6000 yet!!
For anyone waiting, hang in there, it's worth the wait. I don't give a hoot what the mags say - anyone who says anything negative about this bike is either an idiot or has an agenda. For anyone considering buying one, I realise it's a lot of coin so I don't say this lightly, but if you buy one & don't like it I'll eat my hat. A 10km test ride will cure all doubts or your not human.
I'm a happy Vegemite - Ducati have really nailed it with this one.
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U answered almost all my questions i had on the panigale, still waiting for my base abs, taking forever to reach. =(
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Oh, and I spoke to the dealer about the dyno graphs. He says Ducati gave them a list of things you have to do to get accurate dyno figures because the engine adjusts depending on the amount of airflow coming in. So if stuck on a dyno & revving it out without 280kph of airflow coming through the front the engine won't run as lean (or rich, can't remember) as it would with the airflow coming in. In other words the engine will compensate for the lack of airflow resulting in artificially low Hp readings.
They got 192 at the wheel of Warren Lees test bike with full Termi system. So that explains bogus dyno figures
They got 192 at the wheel of Warren Lees test bike with full Termi system. So that explains bogus dyno figures
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Unless they had 280kph wind blowing through the front fairing then the test is useless. Anyone who says this bike is more like riding an inline 4 than a twin is ....... retarded. I've only revved it to 6000 & it loses nothing to the 98! Feels 100% Ducati twin!
Well this dyno test + shock prolly set to F explains the bad result in the test in advance - ill just skip reading them from now on, my bike gives me all the answers I need.
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Nice one, finally a good review that I would imagine put everyone waiting for theirs, mind at rest! Nice one fella
Good point re dynos and I'm hoping that the fact all the bikes tested on the road by the mags, have been in F mode on the suspension and not P and is the reason for those poor results, but hay like you said who cares, wait till you ride it yourself! Like I will be hopefully some time this week!
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Excellent review spilly. I think I was looking for the same things you were from the Pani v 1198, so you answered the questions I had in mind. This combined with all of the other guys who've given the bike great reviews are making this wait unbearable. I still have about 2 months, ugh. Thanks for the time to write that, now get out and enjoy it!
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So this is all a smoke screen from ducati 
- They send all of their bikes to the initial testers in F mode, then they don't give all of the information for proper Dyno testing. Results - not the greatest feeling bike and not the performance numbers expected
When all the .... reviews go out and only the die hard Ducatisti are left standing, then they let it rip and kick the .... out of all the competition.
And all those on the fencers who so easily jump from vendor to vendor will find themselves without the coolest, sexiest bike in the world.
Just figure I would add more to the conspiracy theory
- They send all of their bikes to the initial testers in F mode, then they don't give all of the information for proper Dyno testing. Results - not the greatest feeling bike and not the performance numbers expected When all the .... reviews go out and only the die hard Ducatisti are left standing, then they let it rip and kick the .... out of all the competition.
And all those on the fencers who so easily jump from vendor to vendor will find themselves without the coolest, sexiest bike in the world.
Just figure I would add more to the conspiracy theory
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I have to say, this experience has made me question reviews in mags in a big way. I already had reservations when I read the shoot outs for 2yrs (09 & 10) before buying the 1198S. Thing is in all those tests, beside saying it had a lot of torque they made the '98 sound very similar to the I4 litre bikes. Maybe in terms if technical performance like lap times etc it is but if you ride a Duc 1098, 1198 or 99 after riding a 4cyl litre bike it's two TOTALLY different riding experiences - literally night & day. Yet none of the tests told me this so I don't think they do a good job of informing prospective buyers.
Which makes me think that's probably not their #1 goal - either that or they're just really bad writers which I'm sure is not the case. But let's face it, advertising dollars are what make or break magazines, so whilst I'm not suggesting that manufacturers outright pay for opinions, I'm sure that editorial is "balanced out" so that all manufacturers get at least some positive exposure, if not there'd just be one clear winner and the winner wouldn't even need to advertise! That explains for example why all the bikes sounded so similar when I was reading the litre bike shootouts that included the 1198. In hindsight I really can't believe no one said that it's TOTALLY different to 4cyl litre bikes - staggers me. Maybe they think everyone has ridden as many bikes as they do & take that for granted?? Who knows.
But Jap/I4s & Dukes are chalk & cheese and I likes my cheese!! You know until tonight when I picked up the 1199 I never felt like a "proper" Ducati fan, felt on the cusp, almost phony in a way, but the 1199 has really rung my bell. I seriously wouldn't dream of swapping it for any other road registerable bike, including a Desmocedicci D16.
Which makes me think that's probably not their #1 goal - either that or they're just really bad writers which I'm sure is not the case. But let's face it, advertising dollars are what make or break magazines, so whilst I'm not suggesting that manufacturers outright pay for opinions, I'm sure that editorial is "balanced out" so that all manufacturers get at least some positive exposure, if not there'd just be one clear winner and the winner wouldn't even need to advertise! That explains for example why all the bikes sounded so similar when I was reading the litre bike shootouts that included the 1198. In hindsight I really can't believe no one said that it's TOTALLY different to 4cyl litre bikes - staggers me. Maybe they think everyone has ridden as many bikes as they do & take that for granted?? Who knows.
But Jap/I4s & Dukes are chalk & cheese and I likes my cheese!! You know until tonight when I picked up the 1199 I never felt like a "proper" Ducati fan, felt on the cusp, almost phony in a way, but the 1199 has really rung my bell. I seriously wouldn't dream of swapping it for any other road registerable bike, including a Desmocedicci D16.
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Totally agree - and it works both ways. I'm sure all the staff invited to Abu Dhabi or other very nice venus would probably not be invited back if the reviews didn't have a positive spin.
As many many many Ducatisti on this site have mentioned, they don't give a rats ass about the reviews. It's how the bike makes you feel at the end of the day and by the reviews I have seen by all the folks who have been lucky enough to ride their own bikes, I surely won't be disappointed.
Putting a brand new, factory fresh motor on the dyno right out of the crate is not going to give realistic power numbers for several reasons:
1) the internal friction within the motor is too high until run-in is done
2) transmission loss is too high until it is fully run-in due to frictional loss
3) rear tire is not fully worn in
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Hey Spilly great write up and thank you.
I never had any doubts about this bike that is why I am buying it.
By the way Warren Lee's bike had the Superstock System fitted when tested, from what I understand the bikes are getting 185 with the Termi's and 70mm headers.
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I'm willing to bet my left testicle that they've dyno'd incorrectly.
The Pani wouldn't be the first vehicle that required a little "in house" know how to dyno correctly. That dyno result looks like the ECU is pulling some timing, or something to that effect.
In addition to that, if those numbers were somehow correct, then either the guys riding 1199s at Monza are a really really good, or the rest of the field are really really ......
That many ponies down, and they still manage 1 & 3...???
You know in South Africa we pretty passionate about bikes...
whatever they may be...you will find guys will add full exhaust systems, power commanders, quick shifters , air filters and the kitchen sink just to get that extra HP..
Id like just to add , that after buying the Aprilia APRC , I will NEVER NEVER place any faith in a magazine review, FYI I have an S1000 RR and decided to buy this APRC..without seeing, hearing or riding it
The bike arrived ...beautiful...even had a biaggi WSBK champion sticker on it ( good for a few ponies )
any way..the bike felt sluggish , light, lacking huge amounts of power and after 2000 km...i asked myself wtf is this piece of CRAP...
anyway for those of you who think I digress ...Ive been trying to sell the APRC ( good lord , the amount of money im losing, add full Ti akra pipe , pc5 bla bla bla ) and have placed a deposit for the 1199
the 1199 was the first one internationally to be raced on our local circuits, and the rider , after initial trials decided to actually remove electronics and go back to standard ohlins suspension..
anyway...in the the race both the ZX 10 and S1 blitz the 1199 like it was looking for parking ...now this would not have been an issue except.. Ducati SA promised a BM " killer" bla bla bla
and on the out set the exotic price tag and lack of performance was a quiet a dissapointment to us avid fans..that also got the " CHECKMATE"
ad campaign..
anyway my order still stands..I will still get one..I just wish companies would stop the BS campaigns and magazine testers would actually have the balls to admit to the emotional impact of these monsters and let the public make a decision based on what brings a smile to your face.
whatever they may be...you will find guys will add full exhaust systems, power commanders, quick shifters , air filters and the kitchen sink just to get that extra HP..
Id like just to add , that after buying the Aprilia APRC , I will NEVER NEVER place any faith in a magazine review, FYI I have an S1000 RR and decided to buy this APRC..without seeing, hearing or riding it
The bike arrived ...beautiful...even had a biaggi WSBK champion sticker on it ( good for a few ponies )
any way..the bike felt sluggish , light, lacking huge amounts of power and after 2000 km...i asked myself wtf is this piece of CRAP...
anyway for those of you who think I digress ...Ive been trying to sell the APRC ( good lord , the amount of money im losing
, add full Ti akra pipe , pc5 bla bla bla ) and have placed a deposit for the 1199the 1199 was the first one internationally to be raced on our local circuits, and the rider , after initial trials decided to actually remove electronics and go back to standard ohlins suspension..
anyway...in the the race both the ZX 10 and S1 blitz the 1199 like it was looking for parking ...now this would not have been an issue except.. Ducati SA promised a BM " killer" bla bla bla
and on the out set the exotic price tag and lack of performance was a quiet a dissapointment to us avid fans..that also got the " CHECKMATE"
ad campaign..
anyway my order still stands..I will still get one..I just wish companies would stop the BS campaigns and magazine testers would actually have the balls to admit to the emotional impact of these monsters and let the public make a decision based on what brings a smile to your face.
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