Hmmmmm, Mixed review and feelings about the Panigale in MCN against the others

akalapovic said:

Usually that happens, for instance the US cbr1 get like 80% max throttle from 10,000+ rpm onwards, i'm sure the zx10r there are restricted too.

Then again the graph looks pretty legit to me.. at least the plot is very similiar to the one ducati posted.

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Looks like bmw still posted higher horsepowers haha
I guess the higher rev ceilling of bmw makes a big difference.

2011 Ducati Superbike 1198 Track Smackdown Picture 3 of 16 - Motorcycle USA

Appears the the 1198 power is consistant btw plots by motorcycle usa, we can conclude that the panigale fits somewhere high up =)
Pretty impressive for a vtwin!

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I'm willing to bet my left testicle that they've dyno'd incorrectly.

The Pani wouldn't be the first vehicle that required a little "in house" know how to dyno correctly. That dyno result looks like the ECU is pulling some timing, or something to that effect.

In addition to that, if those numbers were somehow correct, then either the guys riding 1199s at Monza are a really really good, or the rest of the field are really really ......
That many ponies down, and they still manage 1 & 3...???

Nice one spilly.... Thanks for the review...sigh of relief... Mines is still a few months away though

You know in South Africa we pretty passionate about bikes...
whatever they may be...you will find guys will add full exhaust systems, power commanders, quick shifters , air filters and the kitchen sink just to get that extra HP..
Id like just to add , that after buying the Aprilia APRC , I will NEVER NEVER place any faith in a magazine review, FYI I have an S1000 RR and decided to buy this APRC..without seeing, hearing or riding it

The bike arrived ...beautiful...even had a biaggi WSBK champion sticker on it ( good for a few ponies )
any way..the bike felt sluggish , light, lacking huge amounts of power and after 2000 km...i asked myself wtf is this piece of CRAP...
anyway for those of you who think I digress ...Ive been trying to sell the APRC ( good lord , the amount of money im losing , add full Ti akra pipe , pc5 bla bla bla ) and have placed a deposit for the 1199

the 1199 was the first one internationally to be raced on our local circuits, and the rider , after initial trials decided to actually remove electronics and go back to standard ohlins suspension..

anyway...in the the race both the ZX 10 and S1 blitz the 1199 like it was looking for parking ...now this would not have been an issue except.. Ducati SA promised a BM " killer" bla bla bla
and on the out set the exotic price tag and lack of performance was a quiet a dissapointment to us avid fans..that also got the " CHECKMATE"
ad campaign..

anyway my order still stands..I will still get one..I just wish companies would stop the BS campaigns and magazine testers would actually have the balls to admit to the emotional impact of these monsters and let the public make a decision based on what brings a smile to your face.

I'm without mine tonight - dropped it back today so they could fix the neutral light on the dash not showing which was annoying because you had to hold the clutch in to start it etc. no biggy but since it had 25km on it I thought may as well change the oil & filter based on what I read on this forum. Plan to change oil again 2-3 more times before 1000kms just to be extra safe. Thanks for the run-in advice on here guys

RE race results Jedi, keep in mind this is still super early in the piece for a brand new bike both in terms of setup & learning the best way to ride it. I'm surprised the rider even had the electronic suspension to begin since most racers will change springs etc depending on conditions as per the superstock 1199s.

Any racer quick on 1198s isnt necessarily going to be as quick or quicker on the 1199 because it is not simply an 1198 with more power - its a totally different bike from the ground up. Whereas with say the new ZX-10R that really is very similar to the last model with a few more ponies & better electronics so a rider going from the previous model to the new one would realistically be faster straight away with the same riding style. If the new ZX-10 had a single swingarm, monocoque etc it would take longer for said rider to be quicker but should be quicker in the long run.

I still think its quite astounding that BMW have thrown everything at WSBK & still haven't won a single race! Not exactly a world beater at the highest level! There's that old saying - "Torque wins races"!!

Wallaroo said:

Hey Spilly great write up and thank you.

I never had any doubts about this bike that is why I am buying it.

By the way Warren Lee's bike had the Superstock System fitted when tested, from what I understand the bikes are getting 185 with the Termi's and 70mm headers.

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Is the Superstock system the same as the full Termi system but with the headers made out of titanium? Cheers

Spilly1199 said:

Is the Superstock system the same as the full Termi system but with the headers made out of titanium? Cheers

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From what I understand it must be a larger and different configuration as you have to change the radiators to fit it on. Ill find out more on this as I only had a quick convo on the subject.
I have been told that to buy the whole Superstock kit is around $40,000AUD, but is only being sold to race teams.

Scott Parker said:

Basically BMW still king on track and road. I know its only one review but a similar story keeps cropping up. Its questioning my purchase, what with being a bit pissed off with delivery time and it being £25k towards my 991 when i already have the S1000rr I'm wondering wether i need this Ducati.......

I can scan a post up if you haven't seen the review

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Yes can you please scan it.
If not, let me know and i can supply an email address to send a copy to. Thanks.

seen this on AF1 forum

My buddy was traveling the other day and stopped at a dealership (Denver I think) and they had 4 1199's sitting on the showroom floor for sale, unsold!!

rapc24 said:

Yes can you please scan it.
If not, let me know and i can supply an email address to send a copy to. Thanks.

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Yeah I've heard the headers on tge WSB bikes are all titanium but wasn't sure if they were bigger than 70mm. That's $12K alone for the 1198R apparently. Titanium exhausts would look great on the Pani & maybe reduce some heat but I ain't that rich!

Speaking of heat, the Pani's engine temp seems to get Warner quicker than the 98 but the heat to legs & crotch isn't as bad - can wear non Kevlar jeans no probs. Can also wear sneakers as the gear shift is much easier on the toes.

yeah..spilly...I hear you and concur...

my issues not with the bike...but the marketing campaign...

its still early in the season here the rider ( chris leeson ) has raced internationally... actually came 3rd in one of the heats...the 1199 suits a tight track with not very long straights , the IN4 hp is still much stronger from about 260 km upwards..

but I also think that for the price we paying ..it should do something phenemonally... ( before I get roasted by duke supporters...Im an avid fan of the brand ) excluding its goddess like looks of course...

Jedi said:

yeah..spilly...I hear you and concur...

my issues not with the bike...but the marketing campaign...

its still early in the season here the rider ( chris leeson ) has raced internationally... actually came 3rd in one of the heats...the 1199 suits a tight track with not very long straights , the IN4 hp is still much stronger from about 260 km upwards..

but I also think that for the price we paying ..it should do something phenemonally... ( before I get roasted by duke supporters...Im an avid fan of the brand ) excluding its goddess like looks of course...

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I hear you but what about the Pani cracking highest top speed of 319kph in Superstock?

Also, re price, keep in mind that the price hasn't gone up - its the same as the 1198. Not saying its cheap but I'm actually a bit surprised they didn't put the price up considering totally new design, backlog + the fact they are still getting $34K for 1198SP's (with free Termi's thrown in since 1199 launch). If you were to add ABS, electronic suspension & lighter wheels as options on the 1198SP you'd think they'd be worth >$5k right?

(Figures in AUD)

burty said:

whats the go with you bud,yet to see a post from you that doesnt try and bring the bike down,why dont you piss off to one of your other forums and bag the ducati out somewhere else.

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there where guys looking for bikes and they said there where 4 at a place for sale , all i was doing was saying there are some there if someone wanted one

my mate has been riding his on track for the last 3 days , he said it was a lot better than the 1198 , i would have gone and tested it today with him as he wants me to try it , but i had meetings at work .

said the suspension was good and had enough adjustment to make it handle a lot better than 1198 , turn in was better than 1198 but still could be quicker , traction was good and engine smooth , he is still waiting for his Termi to turn up .

i don't hate the bike , i just didn't to buy a bike just to throw half of it away to make it handle for the track only .

shanes said:

there where guys looking for bikes and they said there where 4 at a place for sale , all i was doing was saying there are some there if someone wanted one

my mate has been riding his on track for the last 3 days , he said it was a lot better than the 1198 , i would have gone and tested it today with him as he wants me to try it , but i had meetings at work .

said the suspension was good and had enough adjustment to make it handle a lot better than 1198 , turn in was better than 1198 but still could be quicker , traction was good and engine smooth , he is still waiting for his Termi to turn up .

i don't hate the bike , i just didn't to buy a bike just to throw half of it away to make it handle for the track only .

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my bad then shanes, i apologise, but why would you have to throw half of it away if you havent even ridden it? I also havent ridden it yet,ive got a deposit on a tri,and also on the fence at the moment.

burty said:

my bad then shanes, i apologise, but why would you have to throw half of it away if you havent even ridden it? I also havent ridden it yet,ive got a deposit on a tri,and also on the fence at the moment.

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i got a quote off a german team that builds the superstock bikes , they work closely with Ducati corse .

to build a track focused bike , Forks went , shock , triple clamps , rear sets , master cylinder , sub frame , full system , fairings etc etc .

its the most expensive superbike out there standard , so i canceled my order and brought a ex race bike better cheaper option

A fairly useful guy's first take on the Panigale...

Mr. Daytona speaks about the Ducati 1199 Panigale | Facebook

i thought about buying an Enfield diesel because of the fuel economy, but went for the panigale, therefore i wouldn't need so many modifications for going on the track occasionally... was the overall cheaper package. (you know importing from india, the customs, all the required motor work,...)

i like the smile in Mr. Daytona's eyes, he seemed to be quite surprised.

Steve B said:

A fairly useful guy's first take on the Panigale...

Mr. Daytona speaks about the Ducati 1199 Panigale | Facebook

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Hhhhmmm... hope the twitchy front end he refered to (and I felt several times during my spirited street ride), can be dialed out. Really want to get this bike.

Trinity636 said:

Hhhhmmm... hope the twitchy front end he refered to (and I felt several times during my spirited street ride), can be dialed out. Really want to get this bike.

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Is your rear shock linkage set to F or P?

Steve B said:

A fairly useful guy's first take on the Panigale...

Mr. Daytona speaks about the Ducati 1199 Panigale | Facebook

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I thought the comments were hilarious