Hmmmmm, Mixed review and feelings about the Panigale in MCN against the others

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Nah, the ranking was for, "if you had to live with a bike day in day out, which one would make you want to kill yourself."

I think 6th is fair.
 
keep in mind that everyone knows that the MOTORRAD crew is infected by the BMW virus ever since - i was an intern at BMW motorrad and the guys knew, they could rely on that. And - MOTORRAD is the old men's magazine - they give scores for heated grips and seats!!!!!



1.the bimmer defends its title without a challenge. no other bike combines everyday usability and racing spirit like the bike from munich.

2. the blade is the most versatile. it only scores high in safety (the superb ABS) but is constantly good

3. one place down for the zx, because the blade caught up

4. the motor is an experience, the chassis is superb, but no scores in safety (yet - no abs) and versatility in everyday use

5. gsx-r: model overhaul went well, the motor is very good, but no traction control

6. pani: the extreme setup (???) costs too many points in everyday use. anyhow,a huge step forward, compared to the 1198

7. RC-8: loses ppoints due to lacking TC and ABS. the motor is the better V2

8. R1: no abs,but still quite entertaining

9. MV:abs alone wouldn't help her, als well as the extra power does not. a bike for enthusiasts.

guys, forget about what MOTORRAD writes. my friends and me haven't ever bought an issue. PS is the magazine what counts - period.

i can do a full translation tonight.
 
what they forgot is the score for emotion and beauty.
 
Looks like they dinged the Pani hardest for the lack of torque (worst rating of all the bikes there) and rear suspension. Looking like A) the out of the box springrate is not suited to the flatrate link position, and B) making a twin run with the 4's on top requires some compromises elsewhere.

In other testing, I see motousa have their all-bike comparo in process and are posting a few FB pics and twits. Shame their pro pilot Steve Rapp broke his wrist at Infineon this weekend, would have been interesting to see his laptimes versus last year since they're doing it at Chuckwalla again. Interesting sidebar from last year was that in all their testing, both SS and SBK, he went quickest on the Daytona 675R; even quicker than any of the literbikes.
 
Phil said:
keep in mind that everyone knows that the MOTORRAD crew is infected by the BMW virus ever since - i was an intern at BMW motorrad and the guys knew, they could rely on that. And - MOTORRAD is the old men's magazine - they give scores for heated grips and seats!!!!!
can do a full translation tonight.
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Thanks for the translation, really appreciate the fast work, I think we get the gist though, don't waste any more time translating.

It does sound like the F setting is to blame again!
 
Thanks Phil for the translation & perspective RE Motorad positioning.

Even they say the Pani is a big step up on the 1198 - that's really all I need to know! Did they test a non-ABS base unit?

Steve B - that's very interesting RE the pro racer for motousa getting his quickest of all lap times on the 675R. I think that's the nail in the coffin in the relevancy of lap times to evaluate the 1199.

One thing I noticed when the 1198S was in the litre bike shoot outs in AMCN mag here in Oz was that it was the bike that all the testers who had a variety of capability & experience were either fastest or 2nd fastest on. This is presumably due to the torque, TC & mid-range. I wonder if the 1199 will be the same in that sense - I get the feeling it will be faster but a little trickier to master.
 
I guess the bottom line is that every post I read on multiple forums where the poster has actually taken delivery of their own bike, they have nothing but great things to say about it.........and that speaks volumes for me.

Every bike has some issues....GSX-R's with cracked frames, Cbr1000's using oil, S1000rr vibrations through the bars, the 1098 stalling issue and even my RSV4 need to have the entire engine swapped before I could take delivery:eek:

so no doubt there will be some teething issues with the 1199 that will be seen through. There is also no doubt in my mind that Ducati has produced a beautiful (in my eyes), technology packed modern motorcycle that will be a joy to ride on the street where it will spend most of its time with me.

if all I cared about was a spec sheet or a shootout I never would have bought some of the bikes I did. If the beemer had 300hp I still would have chose the RSV4 over it as after a test ride of both the BMW felt like EVERY in line 4 I have ever purchased (read A LOT) albeit with a lot more ponies but the sound and looks of the RSV4 won me over and I never regretted it one bit.

Call me crazy but rejecting the 1199 before even taking it for a ride and experiencing it yourself seems a bit short sighted to me. But that is just my humble opinion.
 
Yama1yzf said:
I guess the bottom line is that every post I read on multiple forums where the poster has actually taken delivery of their own bike, they have nothing but great things to say about it.........and that speaks volumes for me.

Every bike has some issues....GSX-R's with cracked frames, Cbr1000's using oil, S1000rr vibrations through the bars, the 1098 stalling issue and even my RSV4 need to have the entire engine swapped before I could take delivery:eek:

so no doubt there will be some teething issues with the 1199 that will be seen through. There is also no doubt in my mind that Ducati has produced a beautiful (in my eyes), technology packed modern motorcycle that will be a joy to ride on the street where it will spend most of its time with me.

if all I cared about was a spec sheet or a shootout I never would have bought some of the bikes I did. If the beemer had 300hp I still would have chose the RSV4 over it as after a test ride of both the BMW felt like EVERY in line 4 I have ever purchased (read A LOT) albeit with a lot more ponies but the sound and looks of the RSV4 won me over and I never regretted it one bit.

Call me crazy but rejecting the 1199 before even taking it for a ride and experiencing it yourself seems a bit short sighted to me. But that is just my humble opinion.
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You take your logic right out of this thread!!!

:D ;)
 
Braintrash said:
The only journalist who crashed with the bike during the Yas Marina presentation was German. Did they also forgot to mention that? :rolleyes:
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that was probably Andi from PS - the only one going for 110% ;)
 
So, just checking out Motorcycle.com's pictures on FB of the start of their European liter bike testing, and they have the Pani set to F:

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Someone call them quick and tell 'em they're all f'ed up! :)
 
Meanwhile, in racing panigale news, a couple of days ago Althea pulled the plug on the superstock team, and Scott smarts
Panigale has just expired its 4th motor of the year in BSB here at oulton!
 
And ironically, in other racing news, the Panigale won at Monza in Superstock with the highest trap speed of any bike. Meanwhile, the Aprilia finished in a dismal 10th place . . . a full 51 seconds plus behind the race winner, oh dear.
 
Spilly1199 said:
Thanks Phil for the translation & perspective RE Motorad positioning.

Even they say the Pani is a big step up on the 1198 - that's really all I need to know! Did they test a non-ABS base unit?

Steve B - that's very interesting RE the pro racer for motousa getting his quickest of all lap times on the 675R. I think that's the nail in the coffin in the relevancy of lap times to evaluate the 1199.

One thing I noticed when the 1198S was in the litre bike shoot outs in AMCN mag here in Oz was that it was the bike that all the testers who had a variety of capability & experience were either fastest or 2nd fastest on. This is presumably due to the torque, TC & mid-range. I wonder if the 1199 will be the same in that sense - I get the feeling it will be faster but a little trickier to master.
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Craig MacMartin....Lapped Eastern Creek faster on a Pani S than his 1198 race bike and that was with MR Lee watching on to make sure he didnt bin it.
So that gives you some idea on how fast/faster it will be.

jjmontesanto said:
And ironically, in other racing news, the Panigale won at Monza in Superstock with the highest trap speed of any bike. Meanwhile, the Aprilia finished in a dismal 10th place . . . a full 51 seconds plus behind the race winner, oh dear.
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Dont forget the leading the points now as well....as you say oh dear:D
 
I have 649 problem free miles on my Tri and have not regretted my purchase at all. I ride a 08' 1098r and that thing is a brute with a wonderful motor and super performance, but dated. The 1199s is so advanced and smooth; you can ride like a pro with a level of confidence far beyond my expectations. So, for all of the bean counters at there, I expect some great things from this platform and might bet the farm on it. Just my $.02 cents
 
jjmontesanto said:
So, just checking out Motorcycle.com's pictures on FB of the start of their European liter bike testing, and they have the Pani set to F:

576521_376706212380034_342471936_n.jpg


Someone call them quick and tell 'em they're all f'ed up! :)
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I do hope they change the linkage, just to make sure that P does really solve all the teething issues that we are always concerned abt!
 

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