Hmmmmm, Mixed review and feelings about the Panigale in MCN against the others

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Let's not get too excited over that video, or that the numbers are varying by as much as they are. Different brands/types of dyno's, run by different operators using different correction factors can explain most if not all of it. Dynojets are a bit notorious for putting up big numbers and sweep tests (full gas from low to high revs) are not the most accurate way to do it, although that's what you see all the time in vids. I'd only get worried if I saw a test that was run on the same dyno on the same day by the same operator showing a Pani running low HP relative to say, a Fireblade or an R1 when comparo time comes. It "should" come in somewhere between the ZX10 and the S1000rr, so if it does then all is right with the world, regardless of the absolute numbers the particular dyno spits out.
 
yes offcourse they have a little room to play with.. but this is too much...way too much.

so im sorry but i do not believe this dynosheet.

it's the same as a 1198 with cans. :p haha
 
Spilly1199 said:
So it's power actually goes DOWN between 4-6,000rpm?? WTF??
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I don't see what you see. Look again at dyno results and HP builds steadily until about 8K then spikes upwards.

Does anyone know if USA bikes are the same as UK bikes? Just because the USA bikes are less doesn't mean the dyno is wrong. I really want to see how other bikes compare within Motorcyclist on their dyno.

Chris
 
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Spilly1199 said:
Not at all - if Ducati say the bike should have 195hp and it has 175 surely they need to rectify that? Either by finding the mechanical issue or replacing the bike.

I go back to my point that it appears some units are duds - eg blow smoke, nearly stall at 3-4,000rpm in 2nd gear unless throttle is yanked at which point it accellerates at full noise like a two stroke.

If I'm paying nearly $40K on a bike I sure as .... don't want a dud & the only time to rectify is on pickup so they can't say "you didn't run it in properly" or "we don't know what fuel you've been using" etc.
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Their 195HP claim was at the crank. If if makes 175HP at the rear wheel I would say that is realistic
 
exactly my point you lose like 10-12% of your power so you would end up somewhere between the 175/177 rwhp.

that is why me dealer told me the bike wil have 205hp at the crank and 186rwhp with termi.

you lose 10-12%
 
but whatever it is.. thrust me you wil be happy :p haha i think it wil be fast as hell.

this week i will pick her up with termi's and i will let you guys know how it performs.
 
Quinten said:
yes offcourse they have a little room to play with.. but this is too much...way too much.

so im sorry but i do not believe this dynosheet.

it's the same as a 1198 with cans. :p haha
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The thing is, comparing the Dynojet inertial dyno numbers you posted to numbers generated on a Superflow eddy-current dyno is just not apples to apples. We'd all like it to be simpler and for them all to report the "true" numbers, but that's just not how it works in reality. What will be telling are comparative numbers done on the same dyno. There are a few such so far, like the Fastbikes one, the Motociclismo one, etc. More will come and the numbers will be all over the place; what will matter is how the Pani compares to the other bikes. For example, Fastbikes had it making 20hp over the RC8R and 12 over the RSV4, which puts it right in the frame. But their straightline performance tests didn't line up with expectation, leading to some head-scratching.

Bottom line... more.data.points.needed. :p
 
turnone said:
I don't see what you see. Look again at dyno results and HP builds steadily until about 8K then spikes upwards.

Does anyone know if USA bikes are the same as UK bikes? Just because the USA bikes are less doesn't mean the dyno is wrong. I really want to see how other bikes compare within Motorcyclist on their dyno.

Chris
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Sorry, what I meant was torque actually goes down from 4-6,000rpm in the dyno graph posted with the 1199 & 1198 figures.

I have heard that US bikes tend to have less power, not sure why.
 
Quinten said:
not possible offcourse.

but seriously though.. 176 rwhp is more realistic to me then 158.. either their dyno is crap or they are making a prank :p
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Agreed but this is making 158 at the wheel so nearly 20hp down.

Why do you say it's not possible to have Ducati rectify the issue if the bike I buy is say 20% down on HP? Let's play hypothetical and say my bike only puts out 100hp - am I supposed to say "oh well, thanks anyway" and cop it sweet?
 
Spilly1199 said:
Sorry, what I meant was torque actually goes down from 4-6,000rpm in the dyno graph posted with the 1199 & 1198 figures.

I have heard that US bikes tend to have less power, not sure why.
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Probably the ethanol blend. It does not have as much energy as unblended unleaded. Thank you corn lobbyist...
 
TransNone13 said:
Probably the ethanol blend. It does not have as much energy as unblended unleaded. Thank you corn lobbyist...
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You are right about the ethanol power issue, but don't forget that American gasoline is less refined than the European stuff. On the bright side, we are not paying close to $8 per gallon for the stuff...I can live with that:D
 
zaster said:
You are right about the ethanol power issue, but don't forget that American gasoline is less refined than the European stuff. On the bright side, we are not paying close to $8 per gallon for the stuff...I can live with that:D
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+1

aber hallo!
 
USA uses AKI ratings vs Euro RON ratings, but 98-99RON equals about 92-93AKI, which is what you see here typically. Ethanol blends are prevalent, but depending on where you live you can still buy ethanol-free gas. See link: Ethanol-free gas stations in the U.S. and Canada for where to look; fortunately I have a few close to me.

And of course some places have higher; there's a station in NC on US129 close to Deal's Gap (TailoftheDragon) that has one pump labeled "Dragon Fuel". 110AKI/115RON octane; interesting smelling stuff. Makes your eyes burn... :cool:
 
SteveNunez said:
It does appear as if the stock performance isn't as earth shattering as many of us had hoped. Claims of 195hp and lightest weight isn't producing the class leader we all thought Ducati produced......the numbers just aren't adding up.
I'm sure the street bikes will be fun to ride and be an absolute pleasure....but it's not appearing to be the "best" sportbike money can buy when other sportbikes are simply faster with measurable performance numbers that verify this.
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OMFG!!!!

You see one youtube vid showing a crap dyno result and you immediately start assuming that the pani isn't making claimed numbers.

1. there are other vids floating around showing much higher dyno numbers.

2. Anything other than an engine dyno in a controlled environment is useless for measuring absolute (true) power output of an engine.
There are just too many variables that can affect the results and in a dramatic way as shown in that vid.
Dynos are only a tool to measure relative power output so you can see what effect a particular change has made.
eg. Stock exhaust vs Termis. Dyno with stock, then immediately install termis, and dyno again. You need to Dyno same day and on same dyno with the same tuner.
Even if after doing this, there can easily ba a 1-2hp variance.
 
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Phil said:
I am in for a ducatis in the smokies, but the rockies are some 1763 miles in one direction...
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We have riders from your neighborhood attending....they do have family here though. I'll bet that CO twisties are every bit as good or better than smokies twisties.
 

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