Hmmmmm, Mixed review and feelings about the Panigale in MCN against the others

That's reassuring AR - thanks.

Do you see my point RE there seems like a much easier way to reduce weight than the lengths they've gone to with the Panigale. How do you think the new oversquare 1199 motor would have been like in a lightened 1198SP? Maybe Ducati should make such a bike - wouldn't take too much in terms of development??

I'm thinking differently...... I've owned a 916, 996, 748, 1098, 1198s and finally an 1198sp I have loved all of them because they are different from the other road bikes in almost every way, the 916 was a stunner on the track but a pig to ride on the road day to day. But i still loved it all the same.

Bottom line is I'm ignoring all the tests done by the papers and magazines..... There is one opinion that counts and that's mine, after all it's my money that's paying for it.

And after being on my dealers demo for the last two days I know I have made the correct decision. For me it's an amazing bike!

1199s Tricolore hurry the fudge up!!! 18th delivery.... Fingers crossed!

GCD said:

..... There is one opinion that counts and that's mine, after all it's my money that's paying for it.

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Amen brother.....

I find it interesting why so many people take what mags say as gospel.

I also find it totally unforgiveable that Ducati let bikes go out to dealers and eventually customers with no clearly defined suspension setting.

By that I mean the F and P setting that is the topic of discussion at present.

Many years back, Suzuki released the 1100k. At the first pre production tests, journalist riders said it needed a more front end bias. Suzuki listened, adjusted and completely and utterly made, without a doubt, the worst handling GSXR ever made.
I know this as i raced one, crashed it seriously and it killed someone I knew, Phil Mellor.

Manufacturers make mistakes. Not saying Ducati have but they have made an error in giving the mags bikes with track settings to test on road.

I happened to be at the AR buliding and was party to a conversation Rich was having with the Performance Bikes editor Matt Wildee. He had been given an 1199 and didn't even know that the setting was on F and not on the road biased P.!!

If a mainstream bike mag doesn't even realise, how the hell will the rest of us?

Rich has also mentioned elsewhere that JHP (John Hackett Performance) were also unaware that bikes that had been delivered to them were on the F setting.
JHP themselves commented to Rich that this was incorrect.

As an avid race follower I was aware of the AR tie up in the BSB series and his comments about the Aprils is right on the mark.
Look at the 1st WSB race at Monza. Biaggi's bike lunches another engine!
Last season WSB 26 races. Biaggi's bike ate 28+ engines..!!!

As for the worries about top speed (covering clocks etc) it's common practise for manufacturers to hide stuff before release.

I really hope Ducati do a press release to clarify all our concerns.

It'll put potential buyers minds at ease, current owners minds at ease too.

And finally having heard all the horror stories of Pans blowing up at tracks, wasn't it great to see them win at the fastest track...?

Too damn right it was..!





Just my tuppence worth..! (2 cents in America.!)..


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Great post - thanks.

Ok I think maybe we should all stay quiet until we've ridden the 1199! And let's not expect consensus even then - have you guys seem how many Gixxer owners claim their K6 /K7 or whatever Gixer swear blind that in reality their bike is quicker than the S1KRR?!

That's great news the Pan won a SS race - I knew it got pole & was leading before rain interruption in the first race.

Thanks for the reassurance guys, I think I'll be ok for the next 48hrs until I pickup my bike!

Not the numbers I was hoping for.

2012 Ducati 1199 Panigale S Unboxed and Tested for the First Time! - YouTube

Looks like the 1199 just took its first win in Monza though. Doing pretty good in the stk1000 standings too. Opinions change now? I've had my 1199s for about a week now. As someone said before, my opinion is all that matters to me.

Only the 3th race in the FIM stock 1000 and we " the Panigale 1199s" allready is on the winning mood...

So he is the best superbike ON THIS PLANET...
NOT the RSV4 and NOT the BMW, but THE DUCATI PANIGALE 1199s...

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Not the numbers I was hoping for.

2012 Ducati 1199 Panigale S Unboxed and Tested for the First Time! - YouTube

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Indeed; those numbers (from Motorcyclist) are the worst dyno numbers I've seen posted for a Panigale yet, and significantly worse than any others to date. Dynos vary of course so there's that to consider, but compared to their Aug. '11 comparison test (RSV4, 1198SP, S1KRR, ZX10R), that's barely more than 5 hp over the last 1198SP they tested, with only 4 lbs lighter curb weight. One can wonder not only about variability between dynos but between production bikes, but their published weight is more surprising (to me) than the power.

Looking forward to seeing some more data samples to flesh out the reality of what to expect from a pure numbers perspective. But of course that's only part of the picture. Also looking forward to seeing what can be done with a PCV to get rid of that massive 4000 rpm wide flat spot in the torque curve. The one in that dyno had a peak at 3400 rpm, then a big dip and didn't get back to the same level until 7400 rpm. Stock 1198's have a similar one, but not as big or wide. Should be able to tune a lot of that out though; suspect some A-F funkyness going on in there.

EDIT: I just noticed those numbers are from a Superflow dyno, so no surprise that they look low compared what I suspect are probably Dynojet numbers for the higher ones I've seen (see eddy-current vs inertial, etc). Re-checked the 1198 comparo and didn't see what those were done on, so who knows? Only really useful comparative dyno numbers will be back to backs on the same dyno; as ever! Weight still puzzling though. Some of you guys who have your bikes , chuck 'em on the scales already! :

It does appear as if the stock performance isn't as earth shattering as many of us had hoped. Claims of 195hp and lightest weight isn't producing the class leader we all thought Ducati produced......the numbers just aren't adding up.
I'm sure the street bikes will be fun to ride and be an absolute pleasure....but it's not appearing to be the "best" sportbike money can buy when other sportbikes are simply faster with measurable performance numbers that verify this.

these dyno figures are ..... i have seen 2-3 others way more powerful.
mcn 176/177
austin racing also got 176bhp.
and here in holland they got 186rwhp (with termi slip ons)

So torque actually goes DOWN between 4-6,000rpm?? WTF??

One other dyno test of a Tricolor with Termi slip-ons had 186hp at the wheel so this bike was 30hp less than that?

Let's hope either that particular bike or the dyno is ....... If my bike doesnt push out 195 at the crank surely that's grounds for returning the bike because it's not performing properly / as advertised??

This is really starting to get ridiculous now. I'm going to get the dealer to put my bike on the dyno before I finish paying for it. Never has an 1198SP been so tempting...

with only the cans rwhp.

a tri with ONLY the termignoni cans, same result as the guys here in holland.. around the 186hp on the wheel.

many of these reviews aren't making allot of sense.....the first comparison litre bike test (that im aware of) was done by motociclismo. here is the link if you can read italian or watch the video..
Comparativa sportive 2012: la Ducati 1199 Panigale a Monza (video on board) - Motociclismo
long story short the Panigale came in 3 and trapped the 2nd highest speed of 182miles/hour at monza.....motocyclismo also adds that the mid-corner stability isn't the best probably because the suspension could be improved "they only used track mode"...now Fast Bikes is telling me that the KTM has a faster standing mile than the panigale by 2 seconds?? that doesn't add up...maybe a bad launch?....clearly these guys know how to ride bikes so im kinda stumped lol...maybe they hate the panigale , IDK..Or maybe their riding it like the a 1198...i mean most of them i assume have to be awesome riders to even have such a job...anyways i would love the bike even if it had 100hp and was on leafsprings...i mean its the first all new bike out..im sure in a year or two the ducati will be revised with its teething problems and performance complaints fixed....its just strange to have such mixed reviews.

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a tri with ONLY the termignoni cans, same result as the guys here in holland.. around the 186hp on the wheel.

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It's looking like there a gonna be some units that are duds. That's why I wanna get mine tested on dyno before I finish paying for it - if it's a dud I want another one! HP being significantly down is just as bad as the brakes not working.

Does anyone know if I have a case legally if the bike has less Hp than 195 @ the crank?

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Does anyone know if I have a case legally if the bike has less Hp than 195 @ the crank?

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You are kidding, right?

castle1911 said:

You are kidding, right?

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Not at all - if Ducati say the bike should have 195hp and it has 175 surely they need to rectify that? Either by finding the mechanical issue or replacing the bike.

I go back to my point that it appears some units are duds - eg blow smoke, nearly stall at 3-4,000rpm in 2nd gear unless throttle is yanked at which point it accellerates at full noise like a two stroke.

If I'm paying nearly $40K on a bike I sure as .... don't want a dud & the only time to rectify is on pickup so they can't say "you didn't run it in properly" or "we don't know what fuel you've been using" etc.

not possible offcourse.

but seriously though.. 176 rwhp is more realistic to me then 158.. either their dyno is crap or they are making a prank

their computer that i saw in the video looks from the 90's haha

I've never seen a maker not exaggerate their numbers.

Duds, I don't think so. Exaggerated numbers yeah of course. It's the norm.