Hmmmmm, Mixed review and feelings about the Panigale in MCN against the others

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Having owned a V4 factory and an APRC factory what i can say if it helps is that i loved the APRC very much, a great bike and the best sounding bike on the planet (with our GP2 on):D

Now owning the Panigale i can say that it feels as it looks, a step up from the V4 in every way apart from sound. Both bikes are great for fast road and track day use but the Panigale has a afar better riding position along with better power and great electronics to fiddle with until your hearts content.
It does have its issues such as them all being delivered on the F suspension setting for track use which is terrible on the road. The fuelling low down is also terrible and a PCV is required as soon as they are available to get this sorted out.
Apart from those small issues its GREAT!
 
You may have a point there, but I'm mainly focused on...
1) Gathering many points of view from those on this forum who have rec'd their 1199s
2) Filtering out the "meaningful bits of info"
3) Taking my demo rides (1199 ranked #1 at this point, followed by trying the RSV4)

and then... hoping that all the above will firm up my initial decision to buy another Ducati.

Having owned an RSV4 I think you will find it feels very heavy (because it is). I got rid of it because it felt like a pig. I haven't picked up my 1199 yet but I can only imagine how much lighter it feels being 50lbs lighter. The RSV4 did sound incredible though and had lots of character, I just never could get over the weight of that V4. DISCLAIMER - I prefer light, nimble machines - YMMV
 
You may have a point there, but I'm mainly focused on...
1) Gathering many points of view from those on this forum who have rec'd their 1199s
2) Filtering out the "meaningful bits of info"
3) Taking my demo rides (1199 ranked #1 at this point, followed by trying the RSV4)

and then... hoping that all the above will firm up my initial decision to buy another Ducati.

Let us know what you think after your demo rides. Ape and BMW dealers are too far away for me. Duc is only 30 minutes. So the choice was clear for me unless I wanted a SM or a Jap I4.

My guess is that they are all great bikes, although I'd steer away from a BMW under the con rod recall.
 
My 1199S has arrived at last!

Hi guys,

It was an interesting experience reding this thread. At one point I was outraged that the 1199 didn't blow away every other bike in all the tests but the one analogy that stuck was the Nissan GTR Vs Ferrari. There are 15yr old suped up Toyota Supras that would blow away a Ferrari 458, cost 2% of the price, burn less fuel, require less maintenance AND seat 5 instead of 2, logically making it the far better car that would win any magazine. But since when was buying a bike about logic? It's what you WANT. Fortunately bikes cost comparatively little enough that most of us can afford to choose what we most desire. When comparing 4 Jap I4s that in reality differ very slightly from each other, then I can understand valuing reading an exhaustive comparison to see which one is best suited to you given that their pricing is also virtually identical.

But anyone who's ridden a Ducati will know that while they are also very fast like I4 litre bikes, they make their power TOTALLY differently, sound completely different and make you feel totally different. Having owned loads of Jap bikes (which I still love, the original fireblade defined my youth), I chose to buy an 1198S 2+ yrs ago when I decided to get back into bikes - no test ride. I did ride a friends Gixxer 1000 K9 a week earlier just to make sure I still had "the urge" & I still want a Gixxer but that's another story... But all the reviews I read left me totally unprepared for how different the 1198 felt when I rode it out if the dealership. It was just so easy to ride with lumpy power everywhere minus the top-end biased rush of I4s. To me it's like a big naturally aspirated V8 versus a twin turbo 4 cylinder. That ride home I pulled up at a set of lights where there were a few sportsbikes. I nodded hello & thought "I'll just take off real slow so no one thinks I wanna race". Lights go green, I accellerate smoothly away & short shift into 2nd & 3rd. I was wondering why the other bikes hadn't gone past me & looked in the (crappy) mirrors & see they are all miles behind me! My point is Ducati's don't have to work as hard as I4s to go quick & they flatter you as a rider. Now riding at 10/10ths sure you might miss that top end rush but how often do you do that?

The other thing for me is that with I4s if you're ham fisted with the throttle you gotta worry about traction & losing the backend more, whereas with the Ducati it's got such great traction that when you crack the throttle it GRIPS & accellerate so hard that your biggest worry is literally hanging on. I'm a big guy >110kgs, and nothing has kicked harder for me (so far) than the 1198. And now in my 30s I don't want to spend months recovering from an accident so you bet I want traction control & ABS, esp in the wet. People who complain about these aids there's a simple solution - you can turn them off - so what's the beef?

In any case, after a long wait - I sold my 1198 in Jan thinking the 1199 would arrive 1st of March - my 1199S arrived at the store today. And leme tell you, if you think I give a toss how fast a pro racer laps on it compared to the BMW then you'd be wrong! Anyone who's been to a track day knows the bike is the least important factor in the equation - most in the fast group are on 600s that have been dropped a few times while they learned how to shave an extra second off their lap time the hard way.

In any case, I've made my choice & I stand by it. You could offer me two S1KRRs & I wouldnt swap it for the 1199 in the same way that you could offer me two Nissan GTRs & I wouldn't swap them for my Aston Martin Vantage.

You can improve performance if you really want more; you can't add soul - that's gotta be in the machine's DNA.

Hope you all enjoy your riding, whatever it is you ride.

Peace.
 
Hi guys,

It was an interesting experience reding this thread. At one point I was outraged that the 1199 didn't blow away every other bike in all the tests but the one analogy that stuck was the Nissan GTR Vs Ferrari. There are 15yr old suped up Toyota Supras that would blow away a Ferrari 458, cost 2% of the price, burn less fuel, require less maintenance AND seat 5 instead of 2, logically making it the far better car that would win any magazine. But since when was buying a bike about logic? It's what you WANT. Fortunately bikes cost comparatively little enough that most of us can afford to choose what we most desire. When comparing 4 Jap I4s that in reality differ very slightly from each other, then I can understand valuing reading an exhaustive comparison to see which one is best suited to you given that their pricing is also virtually identical.

But anyone who's ridden a Ducati will know that while they are also very fast like I4 litre bikes, they make their power TOTALLY differently, sound completely different and make you feel totally different. Having owned loads of Jap bikes (which I still love, the original fireblade defined my youth), I chose to buy an 1198S 2+ yrs ago when I decided to get back into bikes - no test ride. I did ride a friends Gixxer 1000 K9 a week earlier just to make sure I still had "the urge" & I still want a Gixxer but that's another story... But all the reviews I read left me totally unprepared for how different the 1198 felt when I rode it out if the dealership. It was just so easy to ride with lumpy power everywhere minus the top-end biased rush of I4s. To me it's like a big naturally aspirated V8 versus a twin turbo 4 cylinder. That ride home I pulled up at a set of lights where there were a few sportsbikes. I nodded hello & thought "I'll just take off real slow so no one thinks I wanna race". Lights go green, I accellerate smoothly away & short shift into 2nd & 3rd. I was wondering why the other bikes hadn't gone past me & looked in the (crappy) mirrors & see they are all miles behind me! My point is Ducati's don't have to work as hard as I4s to go quick & they flatter you as a rider. Now riding at 10/10ths sure you might miss that top end rush but how often do you do that?

The other thing for me is that with I4s if you're ham fisted with the throttle you gotta worry about traction & losing the backend more, whereas with the Ducati it's got such great traction that when you crack the throttle it GRIPS & accellerate so hard that your biggest worry is literally hanging on. I'm a big guy >110kgs, and nothing has kicked harder for me (so far) than the 1198. And now in my 30s I don't want to spend months recovering from an accident so you bet I want traction control & ABS, esp in the wet. People who complain about these aids there's a simple solution - you can turn them off - so what's the beef?

In any case, after a long wait - I sold my 1198 in Jan thinking the 1199 would arrive 1st of March - my 1199S arrived at the store today. And leme tell you, if you think I give a toss how fast a pro racer laps on it compared to the BMW then you'd be wrong! Anyone who's been to a track day knows the bike is the least important factor in the equation - most in the fast group are on 600s that have been dropped a few times while they learned how to shave an extra second off their lap time the hard way.

In any case, I've made my choice & I stand by it. You could offer me two S1KRRs & I wouldnt swap it for the 1199 in the same way that you could offer me two Nissan GTRs & I wouldn't swap them for my Aston Martin Vantage.

You can improve performance if you really want more; you can't add soul - that's gotta be in the machine's DNA.

Hope you all enjoy your riding, whatever it is you ride.

Peace.

outstanding post :D
 
Hi guys,

It was an interesting experience reding this thread. At one point I was outraged that the 1199 didn't blow away every other bike in all the tests but the one analogy that stuck was the Nissan GTR Vs Ferrari. There are 15yr old suped up Toyota Supras that would blow away a Ferrari 458, cost 2% of the price, burn less fuel, require less maintenance AND seat 5 instead of 2, logically making it the far better car that would win any magazine. But since when was buying a bike about logic? It's what you WANT. Fortunately bikes cost comparatively little enough that most of us can afford to choose what we most desire. When comparing 4 Jap I4s that in reality differ very slightly from each other, then I can understand valuing reading an exhaustive comparison to see which one is best suited to you given that their pricing is also virtually identical.

But anyone who's ridden a Ducati will know that while they are also very fast like I4 litre bikes, they make their power TOTALLY differently, sound completely different and make you feel totally different. Having owned loads of Jap bikes (which I still love, the original fireblade defined my youth), I chose to buy an 1198S 2+ yrs ago when I decided to get back into bikes - no test ride. I did ride a friends Gixxer 1000 K9 a week earlier just to make sure I still had "the urge" & I still want a Gixxer but that's another story... But all the reviews I read left me totally unprepared for how different the 1198 felt when I rode it out if the dealership. It was just so easy to ride with lumpy power everywhere minus the top-end biased rush of I4s. To me it's like a big naturally aspirated V8 versus a twin turbo 4 cylinder. That ride home I pulled up at a set of lights where there were a few sportsbikes. I nodded hello & thought "I'll just take off real slow so no one thinks I wanna race". Lights go green, I accellerate smoothly away & short shift into 2nd & 3rd. I was wondering why the other bikes hadn't gone past me & looked in the (crappy) mirrors & see they are all miles behind me! My point is Ducati's don't have to work as hard as I4s to go quick & they flatter you as a rider. Now riding at 10/10ths sure you might miss that top end rush but how often do you do that?

The other thing for me is that with I4s if you're ham fisted with the throttle you gotta worry about traction & losing the backend more, whereas with the Ducati it's got such great traction that when you crack the throttle it GRIPS & accellerate so hard that your biggest worry is literally hanging on. I'm a big guy >110kgs, and nothing has kicked harder for me (so far) than the 1198. And now in my 30s I don't want to spend months recovering from an accident so you bet I want traction control & ABS, esp in the wet. People who complain about these aids there's a simple solution - you can turn them off - so what's the beef?

In any case, after a long wait - I sold my 1198 in Jan thinking the 1199 would arrive 1st of March - my 1199S arrived at the store today. And leme tell you, if you think I give a toss how fast a pro racer laps on it compared to the BMW then you'd be wrong! Anyone who's been to a track day knows the bike is the least important factor in the equation - most in the fast group are on 600s that have been dropped a few times while they learned how to shave an extra second off their lap time the hard way.

In any case, I've made my choice & I stand by it. You could offer me two S1KRRs & I wouldnt swap it for the 1199 in the same way that you could offer me two Nissan GTRs & I wouldn't swap them for my Aston Martin Vantage.

You can improve performance if you really want more; you can't add soul - that's gotta be in the machine's DNA.

Hope you all enjoy your riding, whatever it is you ride.

Peace.

I think you've won the internet today.
 
Hi guys,

It was an interesting experience reding this thread. At one point I was outraged that the 1199 didn't blow away every other bike in all the tests but the one analogy that stuck was the Nissan GTR Vs Ferrari. There are 15yr old suped up Toyota Supras that would blow away a Ferrari 458, cost 2% of the price, burn less fuel, require less maintenance AND seat 5 instead of 2, logically making it the far better car that would win any magazine. But since when was buying a bike about logic? It's what you WANT. Fortunately bikes cost comparatively little enough that most of us can afford to choose what we most desire. When comparing 4 Jap I4s that in reality differ very slightly from each other, then I can understand valuing reading an exhaustive comparison to see which one is best suited to you given that their pricing is also virtually identical.

But anyone who's ridden a Ducati will know that while they are also very fast like I4 litre bikes, they make their power TOTALLY differently, sound completely different and make you feel totally different. Having owned loads of Jap bikes (which I still love, the original fireblade defined my youth), I chose to buy an 1198S 2+ yrs ago when I decided to get back into bikes - no test ride. I did ride a friends Gixxer 1000 K9 a week earlier just to make sure I still had "the urge" & I still want a Gixxer but that's another story... But all the reviews I read left me totally unprepared for how different the 1198 felt when I rode it out if the dealership. It was just so easy to ride with lumpy power everywhere minus the top-end biased rush of I4s. To me it's like a big naturally aspirated V8 versus a twin turbo 4 cylinder. That ride home I pulled up at a set of lights where there were a few sportsbikes. I nodded hello & thought "I'll just take off real slow so no one thinks I wanna race". Lights go green, I accellerate smoothly away & short shift into 2nd & 3rd. I was wondering why the other bikes hadn't gone past me & looked in the (crappy) mirrors & see they are all miles behind me! My point is Ducati's don't have to work as hard as I4s to go quick & they flatter you as a rider. Now riding at 10/10ths sure you might miss that top end rush but how often do you do that?

The other thing for me is that with I4s if you're ham fisted with the throttle you gotta worry about traction & losing the backend more, whereas with the Ducati it's got such great traction that when you crack the throttle it GRIPS & accellerate so hard that your biggest worry is literally hanging on. I'm a big guy >110kgs, and nothing has kicked harder for me (so far) than the 1198. And now in my 30s I don't want to spend months recovering from an accident so you bet I want traction control & ABS, esp in the wet. People who complain about these aids there's a simple solution - you can turn them off - so what's the beef?

In any case, after a long wait - I sold my 1198 in Jan thinking the 1199 would arrive 1st of March - my 1199S arrived at the store today. And leme tell you, if you think I give a toss how fast a pro racer laps on it compared to the BMW then you'd be wrong! Anyone who's been to a track day knows the bike is the least important factor in the equation - most in the fast group are on 600s that have been dropped a few times while they learned how to shave an extra second off their lap time the hard way.

In any case, I've made my choice & I stand by it. You could offer me two S1KRRs & I wouldnt swap it for the 1199 in the same way that you could offer me two Nissan GTRs & I wouldn't swap them for my Aston Martin Vantage.

You can improve performance if you really want more; you can't add soul - that's gotta be in the machine's DNA.

Hope you all enjoy your riding, whatever it is you ride.

Peace.


As others noted ... great words, capturing the essence.

AND .. an Aston plus an 1199 ... great taste :D
 
Hi guys,

It was an interesting experience reding this thread. At one point I was outraged that the 1199 didn't blow away every other bike in all the tests but the one analogy that stuck was the Nissan GTR Vs Ferrari. There are 15yr old suped up Toyota Supras that would blow away a Ferrari 458, cost 2% of the price, burn less fuel, require less maintenance AND seat 5 instead of 2, logically making it the far better car that would win any magazine. But since when was buying a bike about logic? It's what you WANT. Fortunately bikes cost comparatively little enough that most of us can afford to choose what we most desire. When comparing 4 Jap I4s that in reality differ very slightly from each other, then I can understand valuing reading an exhaustive comparison to see which one is best suited to you given that their pricing is also virtually identical.

But anyone who's ridden a Ducati will know that while they are also very fast like I4 litre bikes, they make their power TOTALLY differently, sound completely different and make you feel totally different. Having owned loads of Jap bikes (which I still love, the original fireblade defined my youth), I chose to buy an 1198S 2+ yrs ago when I decided to get back into bikes - no test ride. I did ride a friends Gixxer 1000 K9 a week earlier just to make sure I still had "the urge" & I still want a Gixxer but that's another story... But all the reviews I read left me totally unprepared for how different the 1198 felt when I rode it out if the dealership. It was just so easy to ride with lumpy power everywhere minus the top-end biased rush of I4s. To me it's like a big naturally aspirated V8 versus a twin turbo 4 cylinder. That ride home I pulled up at a set of lights where there were a few sportsbikes. I nodded hello & thought "I'll just take off real slow so no one thinks I wanna race". Lights go green, I accellerate smoothly away & short shift into 2nd & 3rd. I was wondering why the other bikes hadn't gone past me & looked in the (crappy) mirrors & see they are all miles behind me! My point is Ducati's don't have to work as hard as I4s to go quick & they flatter you as a rider. Now riding at 10/10ths sure you might miss that top end rush but how often do you do that?

The other thing for me is that with I4s if you're ham fisted with the throttle you gotta worry about traction & losing the backend more, whereas with the Ducati it's got such great traction that when you crack the throttle it GRIPS & accellerate so hard that your biggest worry is literally hanging on. I'm a big guy >110kgs, and nothing has kicked harder for me (so far) than the 1198. And now in my 30s I don't want to spend months recovering from an accident so you bet I want traction control & ABS, esp in the wet. People who complain about these aids there's a simple solution - you can turn them off - so what's the beef?

In any case, after a long wait - I sold my 1198 in Jan thinking the 1199 would arrive 1st of March - my 1199S arrived at the store today. And leme tell you, if you think I give a toss how fast a pro racer laps on it compared to the BMW then you'd be wrong! Anyone who's been to a track day knows the bike is the least important factor in the equation - most in the fast group are on 600s that have been dropped a few times while they learned how to shave an extra second off their lap time the hard way.

In any case, I've made my choice & I stand by it. You could offer me two S1KRRs & I wouldnt swap it for the 1199 in the same way that you could offer me two Nissan GTRs & I wouldn't swap them for my Aston Martin Vantage.

You can improve performance if you really want more; you can't add soul - that's gotta be in the machine's DNA.

Hope you all enjoy your riding, whatever it is you ride.

Peace.

after spending months reading posts of whinny, cranky five year olds, you bring a refreshing view and a great point of view! i salute you! :)
 
...And leme tell you, if you think I give a toss how fast a pro racer laps on it compared to the BMW then you'd be wrong! Anyone who's been to a track day knows the bike is the least important factor in the equation - most in the fast group are on 600s that have been dropped a few times while they learned how to shave an extra second off their lap time the hard way.

....

No better feeling than reeling in another rider who's on a technically superior machine. :cool:
 
Thanks for the appreciation - makes the time it took to post via my iPhone feel worth it :)

RE reeling in other riders on faster bikes, can relate to some degree - passed a few guys on my RGV250 at Eastern Creek in my younger days. But I have to say, the fast group on track days is made up of mostly 600s mixed with some litre bikes & a few Dukes. And at that level when one guy starts to get faster it's always because of using a new technique (usually harder braking or getting on the gas harder / earlier) as opposed to going faster due to say putting a sports pipe on. In my experience balls + experience = speed over anything else, emphasis on balls! :)
 
^ My local track definitely favors HP, so I'm a bit S.O.L. with my 600RR to some degree, but that only makes it more rewarding when I pass the big bikes. And true enough, technique and testicular fortitude trump all until you reach the higher realms of competition.
 
^ Shit Outta Luck! Common term here, but to be fair I never heard it when I was in Oz...haha
 
Decided to ask the MCN crew directly about the suspension setting via Twitter and they very kindly answered within a couple of hours - so the group test was conducted on road and track with the F setting.

tweet.jpg


This should still not have affected the result at the track but one wonders whether the duke would have faired better on the road.
 
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Decided to ask the MCN crew directly about the suspension setting via Twitter and they very kindly answered within a couple of hours - so the group test was conducted on road and track with the F setting.

tweet.jpg


This should still not have affected the result at the track but one wonders whether the duke would have faired better on the road.

Austin Racing are pretty adamant that F is to firm even for the track.

Sat on my 1199S for first time today - very small screen, very narrow so not sure that a bigger screen would help much. The rear shock definitely digs into left inner thigh but nothing too bad. I didn't have an issue with putting the side stand down like a lotta journos though.
 
Austin Racing are pretty adamant that F is to firm even for the track.

Sat on my 1199S for first time today - very small screen, very narrow so not sure that a bigger screen would help much. The rear shock definitely digs into left inner thigh but nothing too bad. I didn't have an issue with putting the side stand down like a lotta journos though.

Dang, the shock set up is one of the things I love about this bike but I did wonder about its placement. I was thinking, being short of leg, 30 inch inseam, that it would be difficult on track through the corners. Oh well, time will tell, modify my riding style.
 
Dang, the shock set up is one of the things I love about this bike but I did wonder about its placement. I was thinking, being short of leg, 30 inch inseam, that it would be difficult on track through the corners. Oh well, time will tell, modify my riding style.

Yeah the left inner thigh presses against the two (gas?) cartridges, not the actual schlock itself, is the best way I can describe it. It is one of the first things I noticed but saying that it would probably become second nature after a while and unnoticeable :)
 

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