Why are there so many 1199s for sale?

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Fbto said:
There are people that wouldn't want to admit they purchased a bad bike. I am not saying the 1199 is. I rode one. Don't own one. And saw a bunch that were "returned" or "sold" with under 1000 miles. I don't see how someone would drop all that money on a premium bike and then take such a hit on trading it in or selling out right so quickly. There must be more to it. So hence my original post. Is there something that is not being broadcast. It doesn't have to be a defect but could be a characteristic about the bike that many can not deal with.

Unlike many on this site, I don't have unlimited funds. I can purchase one, but don't want to be forced to sell it for some strange characteristic.

Who else can I ask these question to besides current 1199 owners? I didn't realize you guys were so sensitive.

I guess this sums it up.

Ducati 1199 Panigale Review - YouTube
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cool vid.

from what i understand, is like my dealer said, a lot of guys just want to own one (aka. the latest and greatest) for a while. they are not truly passionate riders (general, not ducati), with busy jobs, families, loans ... so they kick the tires, and then trade it in for the next one or a different bike, which suits their needs better (Multi, Diavel, Monster).

another example has been at my dealer, there was a guy, he bought a bike, tricked it out and modded it, rode it a few months and then traded it in for a newer one (in this case a R1200GS with BST's and full everything, looked like new, for a Multistrada Pikes Peak) he takes a biiiiig loss every time, he doesn't care, it's his hobby...

what do you expect of a forum (brand/model)? that the users are not enthusiastic and passionate about the bike? that they just don't care about the media-hyped rivalry between the S1000RR and the 1199?


there are issues with every brand and model, some more , some less. some owners get all hyped with small issues, some don't care. others have bad luck and get a bike that has all issues at once, others ride it across the USA and nothing happens.

if you want a true opinion, ask a racer and a mechanic.









and stay off any forum ;)
 
Fbto said:
There are people that wouldn't want to admit they purchased a bad bike. I am not saying the 1199 is. I rode one. Don't own one. And saw a bunch that were "returned" or "sold" with under 1000 miles. I don't see how someone would drop all that money on a premium bike and then take such a hit on trading it in or selling out right so quickly. There must be more to it. So hence my original post. Is there something that is not being broadcast. It doesn't have to be a defect but could be a characteristic about the bike that many can not deal with.

Unlike many on this site, I don't have unlimited funds. I can purchase one, but don't want to be forced to sell it for some strange characteristic.

Who else can I ask these question to besides current 1199 owners? I didn't realize you guys were so sensitive.

I guess this sums it up.

Ducati 1199 Panigale Review - YouTube
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But come on guy, take a step back and look at it from our perspective. One, how the hell would we know why people sell their Panigales? Two, there aren't a lot of them for sale. Three, do you really think there is a catastrophic flaw that none of us are willing to admit? I mean... really?

We get S1000RR guys coming over here ad nauseam trying to preach why their bike is better. Who knows why.

Your underhanded question is another example of just that. Please don't buy the bike. You seem like the type who won't like it, and will bitch about the heat.
 
Fbto said:
There are people that wouldn't want to admit they purchased a bad bike. I am not saying the 1199 is. I rode one. Don't own one. And saw a bunch that were "returned" or "sold" with under 1000 miles. I don't see how someone would drop all that money on a premium bike and then take such a hit on trading it in or selling out right so quickly. There must be more to it. So hence my original post. Is there something that is not being broadcast. It doesn't have to be a defect but could be a characteristic about the bike that many can not deal with.

Unlike many on this site, I don't have unlimited funds. I can purchase one, but don't want to be forced to sell it for some strange characteristic.

Who else can I ask these question to besides current 1199 owners? I didn't realize you guys were so sensitive.

I guess this sums it up.

Ducati 1199 Panigale Review - YouTube
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Another thing... I had a guy come up to me today on our Sunday ride. A S1000RR rider interested in buying a Panigale. He asked me, first question out of his mouth, "How many problems have you had??". Not "if I had any", but "How many" exactly.

I said none. Maybe its just an S1000RR thing I don't understand. It gets annoying.
 
EvoL said:
But come on guy, take a step back and look at it from our perspective. One, how the hell would we know why people sell their Panigales? Two, there aren't a lot of them for sale. Three, do you really think there is a catastrophic flaw that none of us are willing to admit? I mean... really?

We get S1000RR guys coming over here ad nauseam trying to preach why their bike is better. Who knows why.

Your underhanded question is another example of just that. Please don't buy the bike. You seem like the type who won't like it, and will bitch about the heat.
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I have never tried to start a war or comparing the S1k to the Panigale. I understand they are different. Each have their own advantages and disadvantages.

The reason my question started was this.

Ducati 1199 Motorcycles

214 results.
 
Fbto said:
Wow! You guys are sensitive. All I am after is some honest feedback from current owners. But most of what I seem to be getting are comments about the BMW. I am not asking Ducati owners what they think about the HP4. I am asking about the 1199.

I do like the 1199. I do want one. Just trying to get some real world experiences before dropping lots of money on another toy.

If some of you need to put down the BMW to make yourself feel better, then that's your issue not mine.

Where am I supposed to get owner feedback from?

And it's not that this is the first bike with a single side swing arm, but first one without a frame.



I do appreciate some of you that have provided some good feedback.
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its always about the hp4. check my post if i knew then what i know now. i purposly mentioned the hp4 and people went nuts. fact is nobody wants to admit a 25k+ mistake

read and you will see the hatred if you dont fall in line and agree that ducati is the best http://ducati1199.com/ride-reports/15702-if-i-knew-then-what-i-know-now.html
 
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Fbto said:
I have never tried to start a war or comparing the S1k to the Panigale. I understand they are different. Each have their own advantages and disadvantages.

The reason my question started was this.

Ducati 1199 Motorcycles

214 results.
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You're getting 214 hits on a nationwide search for all Panigales, including those being sold by dealers as new. If you refine the search by changing the condition option to "Pre-owned", the total will come down to 35. Thirty-five is pretty low for a nationwide search.
 
If you can't afford to buy something and use it for a time and resell it without it costing you then you shouldn't be purchasing anything which can depreciate in value to begin with or you should be looking at something cheaper, like the bmw.

In the case of a Panigale, wait two years (say 2014), then get one, use it for a season and resell it at the end of that season, come what may.

After all, no one will force you to keep it if it is not to your liking. The mistake would be to NOT sell it if you are not getting what you believe to be "your money's worth".

Every forum has "drama queens", please enjoy ours. :rolleyes:
 
another post that just blindly attacks bmw cause someone mentioned it. the OP said nothing about bmw. he asked why are there a lot for sale. BMW has an easy ride program. they are basically guaranteeing you what your bike would be worth at the end of four years. buy it after the four years or get a new one and the dealer will sell it costs you nothing. basically a lease. ever wonder why audi leases are so high? cause the depreciation is high.
id love to see ducati try and do that. take a bike back after four years of riding and let you get another one.
 
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Fbto said:
I don't mean to start any arguments, but just trying to understand.

There seems to be many low mileage 1199's for sale all over the country. Is it buyers remorse? Downturn in the economy? People biting off more than they could afford? All good reasons so far. Or is there something wrong with the bike that current owners don't want to admit as an attempt to hold resale value when they dump the bike. I have seen 1098 and 1198 selling for more than some 1199! Some 1199 selling in the $12k range!!

Again, don't get me wrong. I love the thought of owning a 1199 one day. Rode one for 30 min and really enjoyed it, including the 2nd gear wheelie! But is there some secret issue that I will only discover when I plop down a bunch of cash and own it for a while? Or after I come back from my service?
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i dont see bmw mentioned anywhere am i missing something
 
centeroff said:
They are a race bike with lights, brutal, violent and stupid fast, with a hair trigger that second gear wheelie you got, they do it in 4th too, at lethal speed. They are NOT for everybody, not a nice enjoyable street bike you can day dream on. I love mine, this bike hasn't become boring, I haven't wished it had more power, or more ground clearance or more brakes. I think they are just too intense for most motorcyclists. Steve
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brutal violent hair trigger are you serious with these comments? yes the bike is fast but violent and brutal? it might be violent when you hit a bump in F mode but thats about it. this is like the NY times cheerleading for obama on this topic

you want a race bike find a 1098R. you want violent and aggressive thats it. you want feedback and a well thought out built bike there you go. Ducati made and makes some fantastic bikes. especially older ones. the 1199 is not one of them.
 
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EvoL said:
People tell you right in their thread. There's 4 of them for sale here, is that too many of them for you?

Do Panigale owners really go to the S1000RR forums and ask meaningless, loaded questions masked behind good intentions? I haven't seen any over there.
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this coming from a guy who bought his tri used at a tremendous discount (deal of the year). Come on be honest the bike is good but it doesnt touch the hype ducati made and thats why its being sold; people expected it to be a better 1198. after spending whatever you spend whether base or s you have to spend at least another 300 bucks for a new sprocket and carrier to get it how it should be from the factory. plus another 140 for install. Really ducati?

whoever claims there is no gearing problem with the 39 sprocket ride an 1198 and 1199 back to back or ride in the street not highway cant be in second cant be in third always in the wrong gear
 
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mark419ny said:
base or s you have to spend at least another 300 bucks for a new sprocket and carrier to get it how it should be from the factory. plus another 140 for install. Really ducati?
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You don't have the experience to make such BS claims dude.

The stock gearing is fine if you know how to ride.


Its a personal choice not a need, and now your whining like a little girl like your buddy over something you don't have a clue about.


ride in the street not highway cant be in second cant be in third always in the wrong gear
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What a bunch of horse crap from a noob.


The bike does 101mph in second with the 39t at redline. Riding hard in the canyon I almost never get the bike in third.

Whats it with a 41t 96 in second 98? if that changes your world you better go out and get some riding lessons because you cant even ride a keyboard.


One day when you learn how to ride a Ducati, your going to realize what squid tactics your pulling in this forum and you will know how bad you embarrass yourself.


Your like your bud, youll whine like a cheerleader on prom night in the BMW forum as well.
 
outhouse said:
You don't have the experience to make such BS claims dude.

The stock gearing is fine if you know how to ride.


Its a personal choice not a need, and now your whining like a little girl like your buddy over something you don't have a clue about.




What a bunch of horse crap from a noob.


The bike does 101mph in second with the 39t at redline. Riding hard in the canyon I almost never get the bike in third.

Whats it with a 41t 96 in second 98? if that changes your world you better go out and get some riding lessons because you cant even ride a keyboard.


One day when you learn how to ride a Ducati, your going to realize what squid tactics your pulling in this forum and you will know how bad you embarrass yourself.


Your like your bud, youll whine like a cheerleader on prom night in the BMW forum as well.
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you are like nbc cheering for obama. i didnt even mention bmw. also you need RIF reading is fundamental. i said ride it in the street. which means you are not doing 101 mph in second gear. if the gearing was so great why did they change it on the R??? again its MY experience so since i dont agree with you i have no experience. i cant ride? i cant comment? sorry to the god of engineering and king of all riders ever. man how come i dont see you on my motogp stream. obviously you are the best crew chief and best rider ever. hell your team would just be you cause you know everything there is. maybe ill hold your pit board and let you know how many seconds ahead of the competition you are. oh wait it wont matter cause your the best rider ever and wont need a pit board. :rolleyes: every person who did the 41t doesnt know how to ride? ducati corse was wrong bringing out the 41t? youre talking out of both sides of your mouth. the 41t sproket is the SOUL that is missing. You know that magic feel who cares about the 2 mph.

finally squid tactics? dont know how to ride a ducati? really dude? embarrassing myself? the day i feel embarrassed on a forum from a guy i will never meet see or talk to in person is the day i kill myself. You dont pay my bills you arent my friend and your not in my family i dont give a flying .... what you think of me. id rather tell my experiences and if it helps someone on here great. i am sure anybody that has a question and just wants to hear ducati 1199 is the best ever he will ask you . till then my inbox is full.
 
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mark419ny said:
this coming from a guy who bought his tri used at a tremendous discount (deal of the year). Come on be honest the bike is good but it doesnt touch the hype ducati made and thats why its being sold; people expected it to be a better 1198. after spending whatever you spend whether base or s you have to spend at least another 300 bucks for a new sprocket and carrier to get it how it should be from the factory. plus another 140 for install. Really ducati?

whoever claims there is no gearing problem with the 39 sprocket ride an 1198 and 1199 back to back or ride in the street not highway cant be in second cant be in third always in the wrong gear
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Don't even compare the 1198 to the 1199 . The amount of money you needed to spend on getting a 1098 to finish a corner well is just stupid .
I have not seen too many Panigales fitted with offset triples to make it turn .
The 1098/1198 had major stalling issues voltage reg and cracking radiators .
They also had many issues with fogging dash and most people went to a 14tooth front sprocket .
 
So many reasons. I will try to list a few.

Most of these are covered in this thread.
1. Bike was hyped like crazy! Most power, least weight, etc. Launched at a Fancy F1 track that no bikes had been on before (at least no times available to compare). This was smart marketing.
2. Bike is unlike previous models, less mid range, faster revs, no trellis frame, etc.
3. Some people always want the new ..... Can't stop moving on to the next better thing that comes along.
4. Poor magazine shootout results (my dealer saw big sales drop after the comparisons).
5. Expensive bike and needs mods right out of the door. Some say sprockets or whatever. Personally, I think the seat and pegs sucked horribly and shouldn't have been on the bike to begin with.
6. Heat - bike literally burned me on the first ride home from the dealer through leathers. This can be an issue for some depending on location, riding habits, skin heat tolerance.
7. Maintenance costs and issues with owning Italian beauty.
8. Winter time. Bikes get put up for sale.
9. Insurance cost - although I'm 41 and pay less than $400/yr with low deductibles and high limits (age 41). Zip code is big factor, along with previous things mentioned.
10. Bike is hard to ride fast in some ways. I spent last Saturday at a track day at Road Atlanta. Lots of elevation changes and longish back straight. Front end moves around a lot under WOT above 100 mph. I found myself debating how to hold on and not fall off because the bike was accelerating like crazy, yet be light on the bars so the bike could do it's thing. My fastest indicated was 171 mph and 167 through the kink at the end of back straight. This speed was achieved without being able to keep full throttle after cresting the hill on the back straight all the way through the kink. I am still working my way up to that. Probably exceed 180 indicated when that happens. I would pay big bucks for wheelie control. I almost looped it coming on the front straight. Literally thought it was going over. Multiple places on the track, I was lifting the front end and having to focus on keeping the power under control. So in summary, this bike isn't for everyone.

It's a great bike, but a horrible street bike IMO. Chews through tires, too much heat, poor city manners. Great mountain roads, track and maybe even race bike.

Good luck with your decision.
 
I do know that most of the time gearing issues are due to getting bikes passed due to noise restrictions in certain countries .
 
wilkson said:
Don't even compare the 1198 to the 1199 . The amount of money you needed to spend on getting a 1098 to finish a corner well is just stupid .
I have not seen too many Panigales fitted with offset triples to make it turn .
The 1098/1198 had major stalling issues voltage reg and cracking radiators .
They also had many issues with fogging dash and most people went to a 14tooth front sprocket .
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i was comparing the brutal violent tendencies of the 1198/1098 not the problem parts. how it took off from a stop. how it has so much torque. im not really comparing the problems.
 
turnone said:
So many reasons. I will try to list a few.

Most of these are covered in this thread.
1. Bike was hyped like crazy! Most power, least weight, etc. Launched at a Fancy F1 track that no bikes had been on before (at least no times available to compare). This was smart marketing.
2. Bike is unlike previous models, less mid range, faster revs, no trellis frame, etc.
3. Some people always want the new ..... Can't stop moving on to the next better thing that comes along.
4. Poor magazine shootout results (my dealer saw big sales drop after the comparisons).
5. Expensive bike and needs mods right out of the door. Some say sprockets or whatever. Personally, I think the seat and pegs sucked horribly and shouldn't have been on the bike to begin with.
6. Heat - bike literally burned me on the first ride home from the dealer through leathers. This can be an issue for some depending on location, riding habits, skin heat tolerance.
7. Maintenance costs and issues with owning Italian beauty.
8. Winter time. Bikes get put up for sale.
9. Insurance cost - although I'm 41 and pay less than $400/yr with low deductibles and high limits (age 41). Zip code is big factor, along with previous things mentioned.
10. Bike is hard to ride fast in some ways. I spent last Saturday at a track day at Road Atlanta. Lots of elevation changes and longish back straight. Front end moves around a lot under WOT above 100 mph. I found myself debating how to hold on and not fall off because the bike was accelerating like crazy, yet be light on the bars so the bike could do it's thing. My fastest indicated was 171 mph and 167 through the kink at the end of back straight. This speed was achieved without being able to keep full throttle after cresting the hill on the back straight all the way through the kink. I am still working my way up to that. Probably exceed 180 indicated when that happens. I would pay big bucks for wheelie control. I almost looped it coming on the front straight. Literally thought it was going over. Multiple places on the track, I was lifting the front end and having to focus on keeping the power under control. So in summary, this bike isn't for everyone.

It's a great bike, but a horrible street bike IMO. Chews through tires, too much heat, poor city manners. Great mountain roads, track and maybe even race bike.

Good luck with your decision.
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+1 on your facts but i guess you dont know how to ride if you think the front end is all over the place. i said that and was attacked.
 
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