Would you choose a V4R or SP2 for trackday use?

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spooky said:
Is it a Venn diagram if values do not intersect?

I'm not quite sure of the relevance to my question though. Maybe you'd like to sit this one out. 🤫
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How about its a stupid question that has no definitive answer?

Whats the point of buying an SP and not running carbon wheels because IDK, then talk about holding value blah blah... Ok you got your dream bike, now the dream has faded a bit and you're looking for your next hit of shopping therapy by dreaming about that brand new R... Just go and buy it, then go and track it. I'm sure you'll love it and if you get bored, hit Andy up for a sticker kit.
 
Is it your goal in life to crap all over every thread possible?

It wasn't my 'dream bike' - it was the only V4 the dealer had at that time and I bought it. Perfectly happy with it as well. The 'dream' hasn't faded... shopping therapy? Good grief. I've already said why I was thinking about it but I guess reading comprehension isn't a strong point.

Honestly, have a rest and keep quiet - the adults are trying to have a chat.
 
lol, let the man have his stickers.

the man being Andy.

I've not been following the rest of the thread too closely other than the post about how the v4r engine feels
 
CSV4 said:
lol, let the man have his stickers.

the man being Andy.

I've not been following the rest of the thread too closely other than the post about how the v4r engine feels
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People do seem to like the engine and say it's a different experience.

As you haven't followed the thread I'll summarise for you: I ask a question hoping for a normal chat, some members pop along with some interesting comments, the usual suspects say you're not Pecco so just get a Gixxer, etc, etc, and off we go with loads of irrelevant nonsense. I don't think I missed anything. 👍 🤣
 
baggerman said:
Yes you can have a venn diagram with no intersecting values. R less midrange and then viscous top end.
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Awesome - more information that I'll never need 🤣

It seems it's all about that engine. I was looking at the tech specs and there's a bit more torque in my bike so it's probably a little bit easier on track for a noddy like myself. The R is only 1kg lighter so that's of no consequence.

So, the engine and experience of riding an R in return for higher maintenance costs.

Is the suspension better on the R? Someone reckoned the dynamic Ohlins is valved differently but I'm not sure if that would be something you'd notice if using the bike in fixed rather than dynamic mode.
 
Honest opinion is that the SP2 overall is the better bike. The V4R engine is definitely different and I enjoy it quite a bit, but unless you need the 998cc engine to fit homologation requirements I think the standard engine is better. The newer dry clutch will also wear out noticeably faster than the dry clutch on the SP2. I am honest in saying that I only bought the V4R for the "cool" factor and because I wanted to try something different than my V4S.
 
smithbuddy760 said:
Honest opinion is that the SP2 overall is the better bike. The V4R engine is definitely different and I enjoy it quite a bit, but unless you need the 998cc engine to fit homologation requirements I think the standard engine is better. The newer dry clutch will also wear out noticeably faster than the dry clutch on the SP2. I am honest in saying that I only bought the V4R for the "cool" factor and because I wanted to try something different than my V4S.
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I did wonder about the clutch and if it would wear out quicker as it's significantly smaller. Part of the higher maintenance costs I guess.

I thought someone might suggest that the SP2 is a better bike overall. I wouldn't be surprised if that's true. It's certainly a bit of a weapon and not lacking in any way.

How do the ergonomics compare? I find the V4 very comfortable and everything immediately felt like it was in the right place.

I guess part of me simply thinks it would be nice to experience the R while I can and being offered a new one at an extremely good price has turned my head a bit and made me consider whether or not I'd like to try it.
 
The ergonomics are identical to the Sp2 minus the rearsets which I haven’t tried so I can’t speak to those. I think the V4R is great and worth trying. As a whole I believe the SP2 to be a better bike. Going back I would still purchase my V4R over an SP2 because of the unique race homologation aspect to it. That cool factor alone is enough for me.
 
smithbuddy760 said:
The ergonomics are identical to the Sp2 minus the rearsets which I haven’t tried so I can’t speak to those. I think the V4R is great and worth trying. As a whole I believe the SP2 to be a better bike. Going back I would still purchase my V4R over an SP2 because of the unique race homologation aspect to it. That cool factor alone is enough for me.
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Rearsets and wheels that I have on my SP2 would also work on the R, which is handy. I think a few other non-standard parts that I fitted would also transfer over to the R. Original parts could then be refitted so it would be totally original and those original parts are perfect, which helps. The only thing I'd not be able to transfer over would be the low-exit Akrapovic full system. Fortunately I paid nowhere near retail for it. The retail price on the SP2 went up after I bought mine but the V4R would still cost slightly less than I paid for my SP2. It's certainly a possibility to make the change without losing much money in the process.

Very tempting...

I do love my SP2 though. 🤣
 
If the cost to change is now negligible, I'd scratch that itch!
The R motor might be more difficult to fully exploit for non racers, but the tech is amazing.
Small clutch? Lovely, probably won't wear much more on track.
Manual suspension, just better on the track (IMHO)
Good luck with your deliberations!
 
spooky said:
Rearsets and wheels that I have on my SP2 would also work on the R, which is handy. I think a few other non-standard parts that I fitted would also transfer over to the R. Original parts could then be refitted so it would be totally original and those original parts are perfect, which helps. The only thing I'd not be able to transfer over would be the low-exit Akrapovic full system. Fortunately I paid nowhere near retail for it. The retail price on the SP2 went up after I bought mine but the V4R would still cost slightly less than I paid for my SP2. It's certainly a possibility to make the change without losing much money in the process.

Very tempting...

I do love my SP2 though. 🤣
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Buy Honda mate
 
I have 2 threads were I have built V4R bikes into race bikes, the brass tacks for me is if you are not buying a stocker V4 and building into a race bike... The V4R is the only other real option because electronic suspension does not make sense if you are trying to really push on the track. You could do S // SP // SP2 sure but you would have to ditch the electronic suspension
 
If I had youse guys money I'd buy an 1198R. No pansy wheelie control, no nannied etv maps, has TC but it blows and I seem to remember someone posting (Mark Sutton?) a dyno chart with 108 ft/lbs. Too much motor all the time. And that bike is lighter (one of the lightest superbikes Ducati ever sold). And really good forks. Wish I woulda bought one.
 
KarlKani said:
I have 2 threads were I have built V4R bikes into race bikes, the brass tacks for me is if you are not buying a stocker V4 and building into a race bike... The V4R is the only other real option because electronic suspension does not make sense if you are trying to really push on the track. You could do S // SP // SP2 sure but you would have to ditch the electronic suspension
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It wouldn’t make sense to me to ditch the suspension on the SP2. It can be used without the dynamic control of course and the spec sheets say that the R and the SP2 use the same suspension. Is there really a noticeable difference between the bikes for the suspension side of things if the SP2 is used without dynamic control? Aren’t you simply setting it electronically instead of manually? Someone somewhere said it’s valved differently but I’d be surprised if it would be noticeable, especially by me.
 
baggerman said:
If I had youse guys money I'd buy an 1198R. No pansy wheelie control, no nannied etv maps, has TC but it blows and I seem to remember someone posting (Mark Sutton?) a dyno chart with 108 ft/lbs. Too much motor all the time. And that bike is lighter (one of the lightest superbikes Ducati ever sold). And really good forks. Wish I woulda bought one.
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I think the electronics are a good thing for me. 🤣
 
I know apples and oranges but as for subjective “feel” from a 959 - V2 R the last 1,500RPM is ridiculous, a little less torque down low but made it a bit more manageable.

Seen some vids of Karl on his V4R at the same track as me on my base (but trick) V4 and the audio describes the same experience, the upper rev range goes by in the blink of an eye, and sounds phenomenal. Once it spins up in 4th gear it is crazy fast.
 

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