Would you choose a V4R or SP2 for trackday use?

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What spooky was hoping to hear was “yeah, it’s a great idea to move to an R as a track bike even though you don’t have the skills or talent to exploit it. Also buying an SP2 was such a great idea and no way lose your shirt on selling it”
 
Weve been down this sad lonely path many times, if youve already got one then prep it for track and just ride the bike. They are all V4 panigales, some with fruit and some without but basically similar. If you have a choice and you can afford it and you like to race then get the R, if you dont want to spend all your money on a SBK homologation then get the base and add the extras to suit. Rick is a racer, he had both the R and the base, he rated the base really highly, thats obviously the next bit of free advice for Spooky, just get another bike for track and keep the SP in the office next to the wheels
 
Paul G said:
Weve been down this sad lonely path many times, if youve already got one then prep it for track and just ride the bike. They are all V4 panigales, some with fruit and some without but basically similar. If you have a choice and you can afford it and you like to race then get the R, if you dont want to spend all your money on a SBK homologation then get the base and add the extras to suit. Rick is a racer, he had both the R and the base, he rated the base really highly, thats obviously the next bit of free advice for Spooky, just get another bike for track and keep the SP in the office next to the wheels
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Where is Rick btw
 
It looks like the R would accept the same DP race fairings that I have on my SP2, along with the same CNC Racing rearsets, fork sliders, DP clutch cover, GB Racing alternator cover, DP brake guard and rear hugger.

It also looks like the full low-exit Akrapovic would fit BUT that would require a custom tune(?), which would mean leaving the exhaust on the SP2 (which would probably make it sell quicker) but then having to look at exhaust options at some point, with the high-exit Akrapovic being rather expensive (not sure I’d be able to get the same keen price that I managed to get on the existing Akrapovic.

The biggest maintenance difference would appear to be having to replace the pistons (and water pump and various other bits) at 2,500km instead of 5,000km (stated for ‘race’ use - the owner’s manual states the standard maintenance schedule does not apply if used on track, so I guess they class ‘race’ use as anything on track). So I guess it would end up with a big bill every year rather than every 2 years (maybe less) on my current bike. Does anyone have a ballpark on the likely cost of this? Workshop rates here are a lot less than I see mentioned for UK or US (installation of my exhaust cost about 300 Euros at the main dealer and they also changed wheels and tyres and fitted a few other parts at the same time - far cheaper than I see mentioned for this).
 
spooky said:
It looks like the R would accept the same DP race fairings that I have on my SP2, along with the same CNC Racing rearsets, fork sliders, DP clutch cover, GB Racing alternator cover, DP brake guard and rear hugger.

It also looks like the full low-exit Akrapovic would fit BUT that would require a custom tune(?), which would mean leaving the exhaust on the SP2 (which would probably make it sell quicker) but then having to look at exhaust options at some point, with the high-exit Akrapovic being rather expensive (not sure I’d be able to get the same keen price that I managed to get on the existing Akrapovic.

The biggest maintenance difference would appear to be having to replace the pistons (and water pump and various other bits) at 2,500km instead of 5,000km (stated for ‘race’ use - the owner’s manual states the standard maintenance schedule does not apply if used on track, so I guess they class ‘race’ use as anything on track). So I guess it would end up with a big bill every year rather than every 2 years (maybe less) on my current bike. Does anyone have a ballpark on the likely cost of this? Workshop rates here are a lot less than I see mentioned for UK or US (installation of my exhaust cost about 300 Euros at the main dealer and they also changed wheels and tyres and fitted a few other parts at the same time - far cheaper than I see mentioned for this).
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I think you are over thinking it!
 
andyb said:
I think you are over thinking it!
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That would be unusual for me!

andyb said:
of course all the bits fit............its the same.
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It just makes it easier for me to talk myself into it by being able to make use of parts that I’ve already spent money on… doing my bit for the planet by recycling. 👍

Have you got to the point of having to do the more significant maintenance items (pistons, etc) on your bike? It’s supposed to be done at 3,000 miles on the V4 non-R models. Do you happen to know the typical cost?
 
Around 2012 I had a v2 motor built by a very renowned engine builder in the UK (170hp) using 1098RS cases, 999R cylinders, a cut down and balanced 1098 crank, 749R rods, and F06 pistons. (yes a proper combination that works within Squish etc) The pistons were ex shakey Byrne from BSB.and had been removed as part of the scheduled maintenance. He even used the same piston rings. I used that engine for a couple of years, sold it to a mate who used it even harder and for longer..... and it was still going strong when the starter sprag gave up several years on! it was refreshed, same pistons, and is back up and running two more owners on..still pulling strong!
 
spooky said:
It wouldn’t make sense to me to ditch the suspension on the SP2. It can be used without the dynamic control of course and the spec sheets say that the R and the SP2 use the same suspension. Is there really a noticeable difference between the bikes for the suspension side of things if the SP2 is used without dynamic control? Aren’t you simply setting it electronically instead of manually? Someone somewhere said it’s valved differently but I’d be surprised if it would be noticeable, especially by me.
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Yes it wouldn't make sense, but that is why the S/SP doesn't make sense as I stated. If you are pushing your ability on track you will be always tweaking suspension, springs/ride height not just PL + comp - the electronic setup makes this difficult.
 
spooky said:
That would be unusual for me!


It just makes it easier for me to talk myself into it by being able to make use of parts that I’ve already spent money on… doing my bit for the planet by recycling. 👍

Have you got to the point of having to do the more significant maintenance items (pistons, etc) on your bike? It’s supposed to be done at 3,000 miles on the V4 non-R models. Do you happen to know the typical cost?
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This is a OEM caveat, racing maintenance schedules would MAYBE apply to the top tier club racers doing a regions entire calendar and they are all not on Ducatis soooooo..... The majority of V4R sold are street dogs, some track day guys. Most track day guys keep in street trim to make an insurance claim in case of an off.
 
KarlKani said:
This is a OEM caveat, racing maintenance schedules would MAYBE apply to the top tier club racers doing a regions entire calendar and they are all not on Ducatis soooooo..... The majority of V4R sold are street dogs, some track day guys. Most track day guys keep in street trim to make an insurance claim in case of an off.
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The manual states that anything on track, even if it’s not a race, means it should follow the race maintenance schedule, but yes, no doubt this is as you say. 👍

I have a lot of personal development ahead of me before I am consistently stressing anything, so I guess it’s not really something to worry about.

KarlKani said:
Yes it wouldn't make sense, but that is why the S/SP doesn't make sense as I stated. If you are pushing your ability on track you will be always tweaking suspension, springs/ride height not just PL + comp - the electronic setup makes this difficult.
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If I was doing it again I might go base and upgrade - I got the SP2 simply because it was there and there would be no V4 until winter if I ordered one (in 2022). I also had no idea that I’d end up only wanting to go on track with it, so it is what it is.

Some very good prices on V4R at the moment from lots of main dealers though, and it‘s this that makes it tempting. I wonder if that’s an indicator of anything… It makes it tempting to at least try an R because life’s short, etc.
 

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