Would you choose a V4R or SP2 for trackday use?

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KarlKani said:
This is a OEM caveat, racing maintenance schedules would MAYBE apply to the top tier club racers doing a regions entire calendar and they are all not on Ducatis soooooo..... The majority of V4R sold are street dogs, some track day guys. Most track day guys keep in street trim to make an insurance claim in case of an off.
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In the USA

You would be surprised how many V4Rs in proper racing trim get together at Red Bull or Mugello.
 
spooky said:
It looks like the R would accept the same DP race fairings that I have on my SP2, along with the same CNC Racing rearsets, fork sliders, DP clutch cover, GB Racing alternator cover, DP brake guard and rear hugger.

It also looks like the full low-exit Akrapovic would fit BUT that would require a custom tune(?), which would mean leaving the exhaust on the SP2 (which would probably make it sell quicker) but then having to look at exhaust options at some point, with the high-exit Akrapovic being rather expensive (not sure I’d be able to get the same keen price that I managed to get on the existing Akrapovic.

The biggest maintenance difference would appear to be having to replace the pistons (and water pump and various other bits) at 2,500km instead of 5,000km (stated for ‘race’ use - the owner’s manual states the standard maintenance schedule does not apply if used on track, so I guess they class ‘race’ use as anything on track). So I guess it would end up with a big bill every year rather than every 2 years (maybe less) on my current bike. Does anyone have a ballpark on the likely cost of this? Workshop rates here are a lot less than I see mentioned for UK or US (installation of my exhaust cost about 300 Euros at the main dealer and they also changed wheels and tyres and fitted a few other parts at the same time - far cheaper than I see mentioned for this).
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Something fishy about you.

A guy from Eastern block country buys SP2 with extra wheels to complain on a forum he can't afford big bills of V4R?
 
panibadboy said:
Something fishy about you.

A guy from Eastern block country buys SP2 with extra wheels to complain on a forum he can't afford big bills of V4R?
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Something silly about that response.

Where did I complain that I cannot afford the bills? I was simply asking what they are likely to be as they might happen twice as often.

Maybe it’s a language thing but hopefully that clears things up for you. :rolleyes:

Oh, and I’m not from an Eastern block country - I live in the Czech Republic but I’m not Czech. Assumptions…
 
The NHTSA bulletin describes racing as such;

“exclusive Racing use of the motorcycle (i.e. sports competitions and not amateur use)”

The race maintenance schedule does not apply to track day riders. Unless you’re Andrea Iannone sitting on the sidelines for 4 years.

No track day riders are going through pistons every couple thousand KM
 
burton said:
The NHTSA bulletin describes racing as such;

“exclusive Racing use of the motorcycle (i.e. sports competitions and not amateur use)”

The race maintenance schedule does not apply to track day riders. Unless you’re Andrea Iannone sitting on the sidelines for 4 years.

No track day riders are going through pistons every couple thousand KM
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I agree that it shouldn’t be necessary but I wondered from a warranty perspective. I expect you could happily follow the standard maintenance recommendations and never have a problem and I get the feeling that much of this is preventative rather than necessary.

I’m aware of that bulletin but was a bit confused by the owner manual seeming to state something different:

“This scheduled maintenance chart is designed for a road use of the Panigale V4R. If it is used on the track, even if not during sport competitions, all parts of the motorcycle are more stressed so the routine maintenance operations must be carried out more frequently than indicated”.

Not the first time I’ve seen contradictory stuff though and some might be lost in translation. ‘More frequently’ isn’t necessary saying to follow the ‘race’ maintenance schedule either.
 
burton said:
The NHTSA bulletin describes racing as such;

“exclusive Racing use of the motorcycle (i.e. sports competitions and not amateur use)”

The race maintenance schedule does not apply to track day riders. Unless you’re Andrea Iannone sitting on the sidelines for 4 years.

No track day riders are going through pistons every couple thousand KM
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No one cares what nhtsa says on this side of the pond mate
 
spooky said:
Something silly about that response.

Where did I complain that I cannot afford the bills? I was simply asking what they are likely to be as they might happen twice as often.

Maybe it’s a language thing but hopefully that clears things up for you. :rolleyes:

Oh, and I’m not from an Eastern block country - I live in the Czech Republic but I’m not Czech. Assumptions…
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V4R is much better then SP2 mate
 
panibadboy said:
V4R is much better then SP2 mate
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It’s looking like I’ll probably give it a go.

I need to have a chat with the local dealer and see if they are going to offer the same deal that I’m being offered by other authorised dealers as it would save me buggering about with import, registration, paying VAT twice and waiting for a refund, plus several hours of van driving each way… tedious stuff. Unlikely based on past history with them but worth asking.
 
I feel that this is just a dick swinging post. Starts out as a “discussion” and then turns into “I’m such baller to lose money on the SP2 and buy an R.” So weird…

YMMV w the race maintenance schedule. As we’ve seen, engine failures on track bikes are a thing as they get long in the tooth. I’d theorize Craig’s engine grenaded earlier than most trackday bikes because you’re able to wring the throttle on COTA’s long straights. The more RPMs you use the shorter the engine life.
 
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What I don't understand is the piston replacement requirement. I'd have to see them. The rev limit is higher than the twins but the stroke is shorter so the piston speeds at max power are similar. If the nickasil is wearing the pistons out then I'd be looking for a different piston. I'd be more concerned with valve train life.
 
baggerman said:
What I don't understand is the piston replacement requirement. I'd have to see them. The rev limit is higher than the twins but the stroke is shorter so the piston speeds at max power are similar. If the nickasil is wearing the pistons out then I'd be looking for a different piston. I'd be more concerned with valve train life.
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Maybe the wrist pins wear or fatigue? Or as the bearings wear you get a little piston slap?
 

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