Would you choose a V4R or SP2 for trackday use?

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@spooky

I owned s1000rr and m1000rr. So i will say my opinion base on my experience of the bmws. I believe the difference in feeling would be similar due to the special engine components in the m1000rr and v4r.
The engine would feel much smoother linear and easier to ride. Less wellies. Full throttle easier. Probably for track use v4r is better.
In general I like to feel the torque so I would prefer the v4sp2 than the v4r.
 
Maybe the wrist pins wear or fatigue? Or as the bearings wear you get a little piston slap?
Slap is from too much piston to wall clearance (skirt wear typically causes slap but these probably cold slap anyway you just can't hear it above the rest of the clatter). If the skirt is wearing too fast you can change alloys (but Ducati would have already picked something appropriate one hopes). If the pin bores are properly oiled they don't wear very fast. And the pins themselves are probably something like H11 which is some seriously hard stuff. Just seems like pretty short life. I wonder if Andy has pictures of the replaced parts from his rebuild.
 
No offense intended but no pragmatic enthusiast would pick an SP2 period.

SP2 is a bling/“collector?” bike.
As I’ve mentioned elsewhere, when I came back to biking last year after 25 or so years away they had a new SP2 in it’s crate at my local dealer and nothing else available, so I could take the SP2 or wait until winter. I liked the look of the SP2 and my nostalgic memories of Ducati had a dry clutch sound in them, the carbon wheels looked amazing and so I got it. If they’d had a base or S then I probably wouldn’t have got the SP2 (probably the S as I thought I was going to mostly ride it on road). At that time I had no idea I would only want to ride it on track. I’d never been on track on a bike and thought I’d eventually try it on track. I did that once and lost interest in riding it on the road. I’ve got a SportClassic for the road and it’s perfect for that.

In defence of the SP2, if you like the options that are fitted then it makes sense and you certainly aren’t able to buy those wheels (that I don’t use) at WRS (or even from Ducati unless you own the SP/SP2 or Superleggera and need a replacement). If you were happy to use the carbon wheels on track and you could stomach the replacement cost for them then I think the SP2 is a fine choice. The dynamic suspension can be set to fixed as well.

I think it’s a great bike. 🤷‍♂️

I don’t think it’s a collectible bike though and I don’t see it being spoken of in hushed tones and selling for big bucks in the future - maybe it will lose money at a slower rate. It’s not really important. Numbering bikes that are not limited production is bloody silly in my opinion.

It's not even a collector bike as it's just v4 with upgrades that you buy at omniaracing it or wrs.
Not the wheels though. But I agree - I don’t think it’s particularly collectible.

What spooky was hoping to hear was “yeah, it’s a great idea to move to an R as a track bike even though you don’t have the skills or talent to exploit it. Also buying an SP2 was such a great idea and no way lose your shirt on selling it”
Nope, I wasn’t hoping to hear anything. I don’t have the skills or talent to [fully] exploit a base. I’d suggest that you don’t either. So what? It’s a tired and worn out argument.

Buying the SP2 was a good idea and I’ve enjoyed it. I wouldn’t be changing it if I didn’t fancy experiencing the R while I can and I won’t lose my shirt on selling it. We might have different ideas on what ‘losing your shirt’ means and I suspect we are working on different budgets and/or priorities, which is fine. Here’s a funny thing - when I buy a new vehicle and then sell it at a later date I sort of know and expect that it’s going to sell for less than I paid. If I’m ok with that then you certainly don’t need to worry yourself about it. 👍 Sometimes you seem overly concerned with how other people spend their money. It’s not something you should openly express. Maybe try to avoid making every second post personal?

Just get another bike for track and keep the SP in the office next to the wheels

I could but I don’t see the SP2 gaining any value and I don’t really need a bike as decoration. I’ve also no interest in riding it on the road. It makes no sense to me to have two V4 Panigale.
 
Thanks @Chriss and I think you are probably right and the extra torque is useful. I fancy experiencing the R while I can though and some significant discounts becoming available has persuaded me to do it now rather than later (and I’m not young enough to defer the experience to a later date). 🤣
 
Sometimes you seem overly concerned with how other people spend their money. It’s not something you should openly express.
You literally asked a forum if you should sell your SP2 and buy an R...

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ignore him Spooky he is a ill informed agitator.

Simply put I would use neither for the track....yep get a base bike and add/remove a few bits!

SP2 things you don't need

35K price tag!
fancy fairings
electronic suspension
carbon wheels
logo on a seat
std upper triple with number
Ducatis version of aftermarket rear sets

35K

base at 22K
2k set of decent alloy wheels
track fairings (no tat!)
4k set of FGRT and ttx
£300 decent seat (spec it correctly when you order it)
1k spider rear sets.

under 30K


then both would need

aftermarket clip ons
switch gear
rearsets
and anything else you wish for



spend the 5k on track time and proper instruction.
 
ignore him Spooky he is a ill informed agitator.

Simply put I would use neither for the track....yep get a base bike and add/remove a few bits!

SP2 things you don't need

35K price tag!
fancy fairings
electronic suspension
carbon wheels
logo on a seat
std upper triple with number
Ducatis version of aftermarket rear sets

35K

base at 22K
2k set of decent alloy wheels
track fairings (no tat!)
4k set of FGRT and ttx
£300 decent seat (spec it correctly when you order it)
1k spider rear sets.

under 30K


then both would need

aftermarket clip ons
switch gear
rearsets
and anything else you wish for



spend the 5k on track time and proper instruction.

I wouldn’t disagree with any of that. Plus an exhaust though. I do like a dry clutch though.

However… 🤣

I’m not getting any younger and I fancy experiencing the R while I can. A new V4R will cost me about £34K (about 39,000 Euros) inclusive of local VAT to register it. That’s about what I paid for my SP2 before they increased the price. Registration fees are less than £200 (cannot remember the exact cost but it’s well below that figure).

I won’t be spending the money on this instead of track time and tuition - that’s happening as well. Tuition makes a huge difference to progress and you can’t beat time in the saddle working on the right things.

I’ve got CNC Racing rearsets, DP clutch cover, GB Racing alternator cover and Melotti Racing fork sliders that will all transfer across, as will the track fairings that will also fit. I guess my RaceSeats.it seat, which is great, should also fit. The only thing I need to buy is a StompGrip kit and I have a decent price going for the Akrapovic (plus installation here is a lot cheaper than I see people paying elsewhere).

It seems like a no-brainer to me. 🤷‍♂️
 
ignore him Spooky he is a ill informed agitator.

Simply put I would use neither for the track....yep get a base bike and add/remove a few bits!

SP2 things you don't need

35K price tag!
fancy fairings
electronic suspension
carbon wheels
logo on a seat
std upper triple with number
Ducatis version of aftermarket rear sets

35K

base at 22K
2k set of decent alloy wheels
track fairings (no tat!)
4k set of FGRT and ttx
£300 decent seat (spec it correctly when you order it)
1k spider rear sets.

under 30K


then both would need

aftermarket clip ons
switch gear
rearsets
and anything else you wish for



spend the 5k on track time and proper instruction.

Ha!

Or 5k on stickers like andy
 
Did I ask if it makes financial sense to do so? That’s a rhetorical question.
As I’m seeing the new V4R at some better prices than retail it got me thinking about whether I would ditch the SP2 and go for a V4R as I wouldn’t lose much money…
Someone seems to be on the piss because from the original post you’re talking about the financial implications of selling the SP2 to buy a V4R and maintenance costs. Sounds like trying to make financial sense of tit
 
Someone seems to be on the piss because from the original post you’re talking about the financial implications of selling the SP2 to buy a V4R and maintenance costs. Sounds like trying to make financial sense of tit


You seem to struggle with reading comprehension, or perhaps you just like to be a dick - it’s hard to tell which it is. Maybe it’s both.

I was not talking about the financial implications as a concern - simply stating that it wouldn’t cost me much to make the change. I was not concerned about maintenance costs - I was simply trying to determine what they were for my own interest and information. It wasn’t a deciding factor but these are facts that one should have. Perhaps you are projecting your own position with regard to finances onto my situation.

Being offered the bike for a much lower price simply made me consider it when I had previously ruled it out - I didn’t consider it worth the amount required to change. Now it’s less than I paid for my SP2 and the price for that went up after I bought it and the cost of changing is significantly reduced to the point where it’s of no consequence.

It’s really very simple.
 
ignore him Spooky he is a ill informed agitator.

Simply put I would use neither for the track....yep get a base bike and add/remove a few bits!

SP2 things you don't need

35K price tag!
fancy fairings
electronic suspension
carbon wheels
logo on a seat
std upper triple with number
Ducatis version of aftermarket rear sets

35K

base at 22K
2k set of decent alloy wheels
track fairings (no tat!)
4k set of FGRT and ttx
£300 decent seat (spec it correctly when you order it)
1k spider rear sets.

under 30K


then both would need

aftermarket clip ons
switch gear
rearsets
and anything else you wish for



spend the 5k on track time and proper instruction.

Very good advice
 
And I was worried about being old and fat :)

Don't worry the cost of replacement leathers will keep you thin. I have a race suit from the 90's (custom $1800 in the 90's) that still fits. Weird it got looser thru the chest and shoulders and tighter in the middle in spite of the fact I weight the same. Thank god it's got a really good main zipper.
 

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