Anyone 'carry' when riding?
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Shake hands, bin this one and move on? Love this forum, I would not be on it if it wasn't for the feedback about the panigale from our American friends.
Shake hands, bin this one and move on? Love this forum, I would not be on it if it wasn't for the feedback about the panigale from our American friends.
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I do, jacket pocket, no CCW necessary in AZ.
On a serious note to all you haters, in Colorado Springs a guy pulled brass knuckles on me when he was arguing about whether or not I should own my 1199S. Wish I was carrying then... Luckily, someone else was and time to bail!
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Just saw this:
As a fellow commissioned active duty service member with deployments... At best, I think many/most Americans are stupid (really just many people anywhere...). Let's take a look at the deinstitutionalization of the mentally ill, and the disinegration of cultural norms and the nuclear family...
Good starting point:
Madness, Deinstitutionalization & Murder » Publications » The Federalist Society
Look at China for a quick example. Knives work too... I could probably mow down more people with my truck than most of these mass shooters... It's a problem with society, not the means. These are acts of a decaying country. Don't forget the global/national economic state. The list goes on...
Let's see, naming 3 off the top of my head...
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In fact, I can't think of any which weren't related to mental illness.
On a serious note to all you haters, in Colorado Springs a guy pulled brass knuckles on me when he was arguing about whether or not I should own my 1199S. Wish I was carrying then... Luckily, someone else was and time to bail!
Like how I tied it in?
Just saw this:
As a fellow commissioned active duty service member with deployments... At best, I think many/most Americans are stupid (really just many people anywhere...). Let's take a look at the deinstitutionalization of the mentally ill, and the disinegration of cultural norms and the nuclear family...
Good starting point:
Madness, Deinstitutionalization & Murder » Publications » The Federalist Society
Look at China for a quick example. Knives work too... I could probably mow down more people with my truck than most of these mass shooters... It's a problem with society, not the means. These are acts of a decaying country. Don't forget the global/national economic state. The list goes on...
Let's see, naming 3 off the top of my head...
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In fact, I can't think of any which weren't related to mental illness.
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My ex used to question why I carried. And then at 2 or 3pm in the afternoon on a nice sunny day right out in front of our house in San Francisco I was the victim of an attempted carjacking. He had a tire iron in his hand. I had a Glock 17 in my jacket. Guess who dropped the tire iron?
I understand why people don't own guns. And I understand why people who don't own think we're a paranoid lot. What I don't understand is why there are so many anti-gun people in the world who refuse to put "Gun Free Home" signs in front of their houses. Anyone?
I understand why people don't own guns. And I understand why people who don't own think we're a paranoid lot. What I don't understand is why there are so many anti-gun people in the world who refuse to put "Gun Free Home" signs in front of their houses. Anyone?
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I doubt anyone in my street has a gun . I think I would look a little strange if I had a sign .
That car jacking you spoke about would have made the news big time in my city guess I'm just lucky where I live . I would be paranoid as well by the sounds of it ?
That car jacking you spoke about would have made the news big time in my city guess I'm just lucky where I live . I would be paranoid as well by the sounds of it ?
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I think TransNone13 hit on some of the major points. We have a real problem in this country, but I think people are having a hard time putting their finger on it so it doesn't seem like any progress is being made in fixing it. We do have a lot of guns and I am sure we have more now than we did what I was young, but we had a lot then too and these mass murder episodes were extremely rare. Now it seems we have a few a year. Is it the proliferation of guns? I'm not so sure. It seems if you have a bunch of responsible, intelligent, properly educated and trained individuals around that guns don't really cause a problem. However, if you place a gun in the hands of an unstable ....... you are asking for problems. I think the problem is multi-faceted and that's one reason why nobody seems to be able to pull their head out of their ... and do anything about it. They always pick one aspect of it, cling tenaciously to it and pontificate to anybody within earshot how that one particular issue is the cause of the whole problem (assault weapons seem to be the favorite enemy at the moment). I think the problem is much deeper and TransNone13 hit on a lot of my favorite points. I think something is really wrong with our society these days and that's the root of it. Like everyone else, however, I have a tough time putting my finger on it. Is it the proliferation of reality television? Is it the violence in movies and video games? Is it the deterioration of the family unit causing our sons to grow up to be the types of monsters that perpetrate these crimes? Is it the guns? Is it the media who latch on to every potentially ratings boosting sensationalist piece of gibberish that end up glorifying these cowardly idiots? Who knows, but what I do know is that if you don't have this kind of stuff going on where you live count yourself lucky. In the meantime, I choose to live my life by following strict gun control. That is, if there is a gun around I want to be the one in control of it.
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to all the intercontinental folks around here. you can't transfer your society's opinion about what's right or wrong to some place else in the world.
try explaining your dog loving mommy in canada why they eat dogs in china.
every culture has its differences. i got to realize that in person, when i moved here. no books, and especially NOT THE MEDIA, could bring that close, to what it really feels like. i've been travelling a lot (japan, all over europe, GB, USA, ...) for my job and got to know a lot of people. but living somewhere is different.
so, the US has a lot of guns, so do other countries. you have the chance to carry in public here (concealed), with restrictions.
with me as a german (i refuse to call myself european) walking around here, i feel more threatened by some mom with 4 kids in her van, talking on the cell phone or a truck driver who hasn't slept enough and is about to take me out on the highway, than somebody carrying a gun, with a permit to do so (to carry , not to take me out).
and in europe: all you "guns are dangerous"-talkers. do this: take france as an example - go to paris, take the subway out to bobigny, or saint germain and roam around the streets there at night by yourself. i bet you won't meet somebody with a gun, but i also bet you wish you had one... (i've been ther in good company, and would never go there by myself) this goes for every major city in europe.
it is not guns (cars, trucks, poison, knives, ... endless list) that kill people, it's people that kill people.
so back to topic,
if i could fit a gun under my tight leathers and ensure it would be locked under any circumstances, i would carry it for certain rides into certain areas.
try explaining your dog loving mommy in canada why they eat dogs in china.
every culture has its differences. i got to realize that in person, when i moved here. no books, and especially NOT THE MEDIA, could bring that close, to what it really feels like. i've been travelling a lot (japan, all over europe, GB, USA, ...) for my job and got to know a lot of people. but living somewhere is different.
so, the US has a lot of guns, so do other countries. you have the chance to carry in public here (concealed), with restrictions.
with me as a german (i refuse to call myself european) walking around here, i feel more threatened by some mom with 4 kids in her van, talking on the cell phone or a truck driver who hasn't slept enough and is about to take me out on the highway, than somebody carrying a gun, with a permit to do so (to carry , not to take me out).
and in europe: all you "guns are dangerous"-talkers. do this: take france as an example - go to paris, take the subway out to bobigny, or saint germain and roam around the streets there at night by yourself. i bet you won't meet somebody with a gun, but i also bet you wish you had one... (i've been ther in good company, and would never go there by myself) this goes for every major city in europe.
it is not guns (cars, trucks, poison, knives, ... endless list) that kill people, it's people that kill people.
so back to topic,
if i could fit a gun under my tight leathers and ensure it would be locked under any circumstances, i would carry it for certain rides into certain areas.
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Hey Phil,
Dont be talking about Dogs now
...they are pretty good if you ever had one. JUST KIDDING!
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I don't understand all the anger here. Who cares if you don't like guns, then don't read a post about carrying concealed. For those of us who do, it is a valid question to discuss how, when and if to carry while riding. I was actually quite interested to hear information and opinions on this subject. Excuse us for discussing how to safely handle a firearm, I thought that is what you gun control folks wanted.
So if you don't carry, this post is not for you and you're just missing the point of the discussion. I'm sure you can all find a seperate post somewhere on how to be a defensless victim on your motorcycle and leave us alone.
So if you don't carry, this post is not for you and you're just missing the point of the discussion. I'm sure you can all find a seperate post somewhere on how to be a defensless victim on your motorcycle and leave us alone.
Always, I have a Ruger LCP that lives in the pocket of my riding suit.
Many who are unfamiliar with firearms somehow believe that the gun is more dangerous to the potential victim, "If you have a gun the criminal will take it away and use it on you." Only if you fail to pull the trigger.
Seriously, how often has this happened? The states that have instituted liberal Concealed Carry laws have experienced significant reduction in crime. Criminals are more worried about citizens with guns than police with guns. They know who the cops are, but not which citizen is carrying. Showing of a gun frequently makes bad guy change their mind. I'm seventy, can't fight, can't run, I'd better be able to shoot.
Simply put, citizens have the right to self defense, subjects do not. Politicians with the totalitarian impulse always seek to disarm those whom they would make subjects.
Many who are unfamiliar with firearms somehow believe that the gun is more dangerous to the potential victim, "If you have a gun the criminal will take it away and use it on you." Only if you fail to pull the trigger.
Seriously, how often has this happened? The states that have instituted liberal Concealed Carry laws have experienced significant reduction in crime. Criminals are more worried about citizens with guns than police with guns. They know who the cops are, but not which citizen is carrying. Showing of a gun frequently makes bad guy change their mind. I'm seventy, can't fight, can't run, I'd better be able to shoot.
Simply put, citizens have the right to self defense, subjects do not. Politicians with the totalitarian impulse always seek to disarm those whom they would make subjects.
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Well stated my fellow Ohioan!
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And Australia is a gun country also but they are dealing with it.
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I wish I could carry....but Maryland makes it almost impossible to have a carry permit. I do own though, Glock 19 Gen 3.
Military member here, been to the UK and back to the US. There is no way someone from another country (UK or Astralia) can understand or compreheand the US culture. The reason I say this is becasue while being in the UK for 4 years I barely understood their culutre. Its upsetting to see people from other contries call the USA "sad world" becuase we have the RIGHT to carry. Please note, I put RIGHT, because its a choice to be armed or not be armed...CHOICE. And this is what makes the United States great. We have the choice to own a firearm or not, the government doesnt take them away from us.
Oh and on a side note...I love my 1199, and love the exhaust heat.
Military member here, been to the UK and back to the US. There is no way someone from another country (UK or Astralia) can understand or compreheand the US culture. The reason I say this is becasue while being in the UK for 4 years I barely understood their culutre. Its upsetting to see people from other contries call the USA "sad world" becuase we have the RIGHT to carry. Please note, I put RIGHT, because its a choice to be armed or not be armed...CHOICE. And this is what makes the United States great. We have the choice to own a firearm or not, the government doesnt take them away from us.
Oh and on a side note...I love my 1199, and love the exhaust heat.
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^ Amen brother.
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