Hmmmmm, Mixed review and feelings about the Panigale in MCN against the others

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Hmm. From my perspective 50 is old.
Or maybe I am too young for a duc at 31?!

when you get past 50 it does not seem so old especially if you keep yourself reasonably fit, I would have loved to own such a bike at 31 but then I had different priorities, yes it may mean in 10 years I will succumb to the HD disease but at the moment the Pan is giving me a grin ear to ear and long may it do so:D
 
the claims and the hype that Ducati put behind the 1199 is called marketing and / or advertising your product. They are in business to SELL motorcycles. Of course they will advertise the 1199 as the pinnacle of Motorcycle design and they have a right to do that because in many ways it is. Mono frame, advanced electronics, electronically controlled suspension, most powerful V-TWIN in the world etc.

The BMW on the other hand took a tried and true Japanese formula and sprinkled a lot more HP on it. Kudos to them but when I rode one it felt like every 1000cc bike I had before it. And it was not aesthetically pleasing to me. So I bought an RSV4 which in my eyes is a beautiful motorcycle.

Got to remember also that the BMW has been out for some time now and is a familiar ride to the test pilots. The Ducati is all new and may take some adjusting to before it's fully dialed in and testers can get the most out of it.

in the end its nice to have choice....if you make a living riding on the track then .02 seconds faster around may mean a great deal to you. But if you are not then buy what moves you and makes you happy. Lighten up and enjoy!
 
when you get past 50 it does not seem so old especially if you keep yourself reasonably fit, I would have loved to own such a bike at 31 but then I had different priorities, yes it may mean in 10 years I will succumb to the HD disease but at the moment the Pan is giving me a grin ear to ear and long may it do so:D

Well put Leebeeone.

Don't fear about succumbing to the HD disease ... Nearly all my life I couldn't come to grips with the rationale behind a "freedom truck" but not that long ago I started to appreciate them for the essence that they are and I actually said some kind words including something along the lines of "I could see myself on that one". Thankfully one of my mates stepped up and gave me some pills. I'm cured now and in time so I didn't cancel my Tricolore order.

I'll pop a spare bottle of the same pills in the mail for you if you need. Just say the word! Ha ha ha
 
I still think it's a game changer, and I'm so excited to get one, a bit of wee came out.
 
I still think it's a game changer, and I'm so excited to get one, a bit of wee came out.

I saw, sat, fiddled with and heard an 1199 for the first time yesterday. My erection lasted for about 30 minutes.

My lust for that bike now goes to 11.
 
So my final 2 cents on this one.

As I pulled away from the house today in my Audi TT (ironic), I noted the pop of the exhaust on the upshift, which is about the only 'character' that the car has (apart from its sleek design). It made me think of how good the exhaust sounded on my past Afla and Lancia cars which had a ton of character that made you want to work the engine and gearbox just for the hell of it.

I finally remembered that it was this essence that I was really buying into when I decided to buy a 1199S, not the statistics. So I got there in the end by myself but thanks for listening! ;)
 
So my final 2 cents on this one.

I finally remembered that it was this essence that I was really buying into when I decided to buy a 1199S, not the statistics. So I got there in the end by myself but thanks for listening! ;)

+1. Well said WAfatboy. This parallels my soul exactely!!!:) You see I got caught up in the Motarrad advertisement frenzy of the S1000RR. I pre-ordered it, and once I got it, I may have had bragging rights, but I couldn't notice any difference between that bike and the Japanese bikes that I had in the past-NO SOUL-:(
However, when I see and here the PANIGALE- there is a direct connection between the PANIGALE and the essence of the passion that is in my SOUL:D!!!

MOTODOC
Proud to be a test pilot for the 2012 DUCATI PANIGALE S + ABS
 
So my final 2 cents on this one.

As I pulled away from the house today in my Audi TT (ironic), I noted the pop of the exhaust on the upshift, which is about the only 'character' that the car has (apart from its sleek design). It made me think of how good the exhaust sounded on my past Afla and Lancia cars which had a ton of character that made you want to work the engine and gearbox just for the hell of it.

I finally remembered that it was this essence that I was really buying into when I decided to buy a 1199S, not the statistics. So I got there in the end by myself but thanks for listening! ;)


I test drove the 991 Carrera S today and have decided to have that instead, thats where my passion is. When i buy a bike i want it to be the fastest most pleasurable ride. For all the aura around the Ducati although nice it won't be the deciding factor if i get a bigger grin from riding the BM.

2 seconds is a lot when it comes to lap times and if you look at the data from the fastest rider (Pirelli test rider)he was actually faster on all the other bikes except the MV. My other reason is that i will not ride a bike with a standard system, and the full system for me means no track days so i can not for myself see the point in the purchase. Its 25% of the Porsche and will sit in the garage for 80% of the time.
 
I'm sure you have seen this, but this is from MCN on you tube. Ducati 1199 Panigale first ride - YouTube

Neil admits "he didn't like the 1199 at first until he made some electronic adjustments". After that and spending more time riding he said he was depressed he had to bring it back for the next rider.

As you can see I'm new to the forum. After spending the last month plus waiting for my s1000rr the day it arrived at the dealer is the day BMW put out the world wide stop sales. Some might say that sucks, but I feel lucky. This was my opportunity to look at other options.

Last night (4/27) i was invited to a VIP unveil of the Panigale in the states. To say the least I loved it. I've always wanted a Ducati, but when I was younger my pockets were not deep enough. After weighing out my options the writing was on the wall. I'm happy to say I placed my order and honored that I will be part of the Ducati family. Sure the BMW might be a second or two faster on a track, but I won't know the difference.
 
i think everybody here agrees DUCATI build the 1199 with the intention not only to race but to stay consistently fast to finish each race with good results if not podium.

it may not have the outright grunt/power to the beemer but close enough...
that might be a strategy to be able to hold the tyre wear as long and stay consistently fast for each round..
Will the beemer keep it's speed consistently fast for every round if its tire wears faster with the more grunt it make..(yes suspension is another factor)

Did mcn's test expose the bikes to the standard number of rounds like in a super-stock race? too expensive and time consuming perhaps...

A sprinter is not necessarily a 10Km runner..

ducati corse incubates racing breeds and has race pedigree for many years of wsbk.
The 1199 will put up a good show. i'm glad i could afford one soon.

2012 WSBK Assen - Race 1 Highlights - YouTube
Interesting Assen race 1 with dry and wet condition.Several s1000rr leads the way pretty much of the time, with the 1198 & V4 trailing behind, but one by one, the inline (s1 and rea's cbr1000) just breaks traction or highsided...and the vtwins which stays consistent, just move up to take podium....(these bikes make more power then stock)

not only a machine starts well, must also end well...that is Ducati's intention for all its pedigree, not surprise for that also for the upcoming 1199...:D

makes you wonder if all that power in s1rr will it help you for a while or throughout the race....?
i'll stick to vtwin than in-lines...
 
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I test drove the 991 Carrera S today and have decided to have that instead, thats where my passion is. When i buy a bike i want it to be the fastest most pleasurable ride. For all the aura around the Ducati although nice it won't be the deciding factor if i get a bigger grin from riding the BM.

2 seconds is a lot when it comes to lap times and if you look at the data from the fastest rider (Pirelli test rider)he was actually faster on all the other bikes except the MV. My other reason is that i will not ride a bike with a standard system, and the full system for me means no track days so i can not for myself see the point in the purchase. Its 25% of the Porsche and will sit in the garage for 80% of the time.

Stick to four wheels mate (just don't start crying when a Caterham blows you away in a stop light drag), you wouldn't get anywhere near the limit of the bike anyway

When it comes down to it, having the fastest bike doesn't make YOU the fastest rider, the rider has a lot of say in it.

I am also pretty sure that, given the opportunity, you on your BMW / 1199 would have been blown away on the track by lots of bikes that you consider inferior which would be just too devastating for you.

One last thing, you'll have to cancel your order for the 991, EVO magazine tested it against it's "competitors" and it finished 3rd behind the R8 and Nissan GTR, it must be a piece of .....


Cheers,

Harry.
 
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I test drove the 991 Carrera S today and have decided to have that instead, thats where my passion is. When i buy a bike i want it to be the fastest most pleasurable ride. For all the aura around the Ducati although nice it won't be the deciding factor if i get a bigger grin from riding the BM.

2 seconds is a lot when it comes to lap times and if you look at the data from the fastest rider (Pirelli test rider)he was actually faster on all the other bikes except the MV. My other reason is that i will not ride a bike with a standard system, and the full system for me means no track days so i can not for myself see the point in the purchase. Its 25% of the Porsche and will sit in the garage for 80% of the time.

As alway, each to his own, no one can tell you how you feel about something like this.

it's not an aura in my books, it's a more physical all-of-body feeling that comes from a combination of acoustic, sensory and visual stimuli. The red colour stimulates you brain visually before you mount up then the rumble of the pipes and the mechanical growl of the engine are join with the sense of speed to make you feel like you are the fastest thing on wheels but you are in tune with it! You are riding a bike that was designed to be the most advanced and most complete motorcycle in its class and has that extra something that no BMW can capture. This bike is clearly something special, I don't think there was a single rider at the launch that didn't say so. Whether you can extract that performance is up to you , something Stoner and Rossi can probably relate to.

The German performance machines are amazingly fast, clinically so,and the S1000rr is no exception. This defines their character, character in the mechanical form of death metal - the AMG C63 or the GT3 that I see (and hear) routinely sound awful until the pedal is floored, and even then it's guttural, angry and mechanical thrash. If you have never experienced owning an Italian sports car or motorcycle like this it's very hard to capture why you would always regret choosing the German alternative instead. My Audi TT is a beautiful car and every time I drive it I am disappointed that it's not a more involving driving experience.
 
Stick to four wheels mate (just don't start crying when a Caterham blows you away in a stop light drag), you wouldn't get anywhere near the limit of the bike anyway

When it comes down to it, having the fastest bike doesn't make YOU the fastest rider, the rider has a lot of say in it.

I am also pretty sure that, given the opportunity, you on your BMW / 1199 would have been blown away on the track by lots of bikes that you consider inferior which would be just too devastating for you.

One last thing, you'll have to cancel your order for the 991, EVO magazine tested it against it's "competitors" and it finished 3rd behind the R8 and Nissan GTR, it must be a piece of .....


Cheers,

Harry.

Nice research....and nice point!
 
Chaps, its one thing MCN slagging the Panigale, we clearly don't give a crap about that.

...... but when Evo mag dis the 991 you want to buy ..... man get down to that Nissan dealer ASAP!!!!!!!!

(j/k)

BTW, my dealer is also the Porsche agent, so always lots to see in the showroom :eek:
 
I'm so tired of people comparing the BMW to the Ducati or any other Italian boutique brand. The BMW was built to beat the Japanese bikes at their own game, basically they took an already proven engine layout that has in the past been built to ridiculous levels of power (Lee's Cycles of San diego sold crate motors rated at 220 hp at the wheel with a full yoshimura system for the 08-12 cbr1000rr's). Then they ripped off every positive technology from the japanese brands (deltabox, unit pro link, etc.) added their own minor twists to avoid lawsuits and produced the ultimate generic I-4 motorcycle ever. Does it work on the track, hell yeah it does, it goes like stink, does it truly do anything that hasnt already been done a thousand times before...other than give people even more power than they had in the japanese bikes? not really.

The 1199 on the other hand is going out of its way to be "all new". New engine, new frame, new suspension geometry, new electronics, new ergonomics, hell even the Ducati trademark underseat exhaust is gone. The one standard that Ducati refused to budge on was the number of cylinders. I am sure they could have gone to a V-4 and had a more manageable engine in the lower revs, but the L-twin is the beating heart of Ducati superbikes. What they have accomplished with this engine is just short of unbelievable...I'm sure that 10 years ago anyone claiming almost 200 bhp at the crank would have been laughed into obscurity.

On top of all that, Ducati is to motorcycles as Ferrari is to automobiles. Sure the Nissan GT-R can smoke an F430, but I guarantee that if both were parked right next to one another people would hardly care about the GT-R. Same goes for Ducati, park a Duc next to a BMW and people will just think the BMW is an "odd Jap bike", while Ducati oozes sex appeal.

On the track the Ducati may be at a disadvantage but it would be slight, considering that even the best of the amateur racers on here posting arent really pushing these bikes to their jagged edge of performance. The BMW will most likely remain the HP king for some time, it has some of the best electronic "nannies" on the market that make all that power "seem" accessible. The Japanese will eventually make bikes that handle as well if not better than the BMW. Dont forget that we'll most likely see an "R" version of the 1199 as well, which will probably end the reign of the BMW on the track. And dont forget about Aprilia i doubt they will sit on their hands much longer when it comes to the HP wars with Ducati and BMW...imagine a 180HP+ V4 in a bike as nimble as the RSV4 and you have something approaching motorcycle zen.

The BMW just hammered the sportbike world with HP but didnt really upset the balance of the market. It found its niche between Jap bikes and the Italians and is content to be where its at. I am curious how BMW will progress with future models...basically what are they gonna rip-off next? Or will they innovate?

For me the decision came down to Aprilia or Ducati, and now I have a deposit on an 1199S. Deep down inside every BMW S1000RR owner is a desire to own an exotic, thats why the only argument they have against bikes like the Aprilia and the Ducati is "mine's faster". That's like the guy who mods a Honda Civic to post 10 second quarters so he can brag that its faster than a Ferrari...its still a Civic, bud.

I appreciate any enthusiasts POV but not when they choose to wear rose-tinted or perhaps in this case Ducati red glasses. :rolleyes:

If you are tired of everyone comparing the Ducati to the BMW best start with Ducati who clearly made the claim that they were taking the fight to BMW and Aprilia. :eek:

The BMW was built not to beat the Japanese but to beat everything and it has succeeded. It's three years on now as SBOTY in everyone's estimation, let's let this go now. Respect where it is due.

And if you think the BMW doesn't do anything that hasn't been done before then clearly you are missing the point. It certainly was and is a game-changer introducing technology previously unseen on a road bike. Prior to the BMW what bike had the level of technology that the BMW had? also let's remember this was their first time out of the box with a winner that has literally shook the establishment.

Let's be clear, the electronics do not "seem" to make the performance accessible, it makes the performance accessible. Hence the 1-2 second differential.

Deep down inside, every BMW owner is very satisfied because they do own a exotic. It doesn't have to be from Italy to be exotic.
 
I appreciate any enthusiasts POV but not when they choose to wear rose-tinted or perhaps in this case Ducati red glasses. :rolleyes:

If you are tired of everyone comparing the Ducati to the BMW best start with Ducati who clearly made the claim that they were taking the fight to BMW and Aprilia. :eek:

The BMW was built not to beat the Japanese but to beat everything and it has succeeded. It's three years on now as SBOTY in everyone's estimation, let's let this go now. Respect where it is due.

And if you think the BMW doesn't do anything that hasn't been done before then clearly you are missing the point. It certainly was and is a game-changer introducing technology previously unseen on a road bike. Prior to the BMW what bike had the level of technology that the BMW had? also let's remember this was their first time out of the box with a winner that has literally shook the establishment.

Let's be clear, the electronics do not "seem" to make the performance accessible, it makes the performance accessible. Hence the 1-2 second differential.

Deep down inside, every BMW owner is very satisfied because they do own a exotic. It doesn't have to be from Italy to be exotic.


I must have missed all of those BMW WSBK wins.
 
I appreciate any enthusiasts POV but not when they choose to wear rose-tinted or perhaps in this case Ducati red glasses. :rolleyes:

If you are tired of everyone comparing the Ducati to the BMW best start with Ducati who clearly made the claim that they were taking the fight to BMW and Aprilia. :eek:

The BMW was built not to beat the Japanese but to beat everything and it has succeeded. It's three years on now as SBOTY in everyone's estimation, let's let this go now. Respect where it is due.

And if you think the BMW doesn't do anything that hasn't been done before then clearly you are missing the point. It certainly was and is a game-changer introducing technology previously unseen on a road bike. Prior to the BMW what bike had the level of technology that the BMW had? also let's remember this was their first time out of the box with a winner that has literally shook the establishment.

Let's be clear, the electronics do not "seem" to make the performance accessible, it makes the performance accessible. Hence the 1-2 second differential.

Deep down inside, every BMW owner is very satisfied because they do own a exotic. It doesn't have to be from Italy to be exotic.

But it looks and rides so Japanese and BMW stands for "Bavarian Manure Wagon" :D:D
 
I actually steered friend toward buying a BMW . . . because he was considering another CBR, and couldn't afford a Duc. It's one of the best of the rest, along with the Ape. ;)
 
I must have missed all of those BMW WSBK wins.

Did you miss all of those Superstock wins as well? BMW have done a great job and it's currently the quickest out of the crate, credit where it's due.

It's not the best bike though. Technology, styling, sound and desireability is where the Panigale blows it away.
 

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