Hmmmmm, Mixed review and feelings about the Panigale in MCN against the others

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I don't know about everyone else but I have not ridden the 1199.......and if you haven't how are you making the decision that it's not the highest performing, best bike for you?

I guess whats most surprising out of the 2 tests I read so far (well 1 as the other was in Italian) is how well the 3 year old RSV4 is holding up vs the competition!
 
The Aprilia and the Honda. Amazing how the Honda with relatively no changes is still running with the top dogs.
 
Except for the 1100+ owners whose motors were shipped with loose con rod bolts. :D

Seriously though, the BMW is a potent track tool and awesome street bike too, and if I wanted an inline 4 I probably would have considered one until the recall.

Not sure it's exotic however. Fast? Yes. But it's too fugly to be exotic.

To each their own.

Bizarre definition of exotic if you are basing it on looks. Plenty of dog-ugly bikes still qualified as exotics. Think Bimota Mantra for one. :eek:

To me exotic doesn't automatically imply Italian, which I've owned and own, or ultra expensive, again which I've owned. Something special about it must exist; hard pressed to see how a 1st effort superbike trumping everything on the block 3 yrs running cannot be considered special or exotic.
 
+1. Furthur, after another 10k in mods to my $16k HM1100S, I am going to be happy when I don't read about a cheap dude picking up a used base model 1199 and trying to save $5 by building his own airbox like some hyper owners do. Hopefully the pricetag will keep the BMW owners on BMWs, and Ducati enthusiasts coughing up the $ to remain Ducati connoisseurs.

If I sound pompous, it's because I am.

No offence but,..."The world needs ditch diggers too."-Judge Smails "Caddyshack".


Wow, that small huh. :cool:
 
LOL... Guess if I end up getting the Aprilia RSV4 Factory APRC SE, then I should look down on people that ride a plain ole Panigale (non S or Tricolore). People who find self worth in material possessions are truly a sad lot.

And one other thought. Generally speaking, those that truly have it, don't talk about it. Just saying...

And we will all bow to you my friend. That APRC SE is amazing. Your second point rings so true as well.
 
I don't know about everyone else but I have not ridden the 1199.......and if you haven't how are you making the decision that it's not the highest performing, best bike for you?

I guess whats most surprising out of the 2 tests I read so far (well 1 as the other was in Italian) is how well the 3 year old RSV4 is holding up vs the competition!

I'm surprised the RSV4 isn't mentioned more also.
 
Really bizarre how poorly the F4RR did. The F4 was certainly on my list; perhaps my local ex-Ducati dealer was correct, the design no matter how gorgeous, is an old design.
 
Did I miss something? I thought his was a 1199 forum.

I'm always perplexed when ppl hop on forums ranting and raving about having to own the "best" of something. One day, these ppl will realise that there ain't no such thing. Things are just different, there a pros and cons to everything. And whether or not something is better than something else, is largely dependent of the project directives and restrictions.

On a slightly different note.. I wish all the peeps who were reconsidering, live in Sydney Au. I would be encouraging you to all cancel your order so I could get mine sooner than later.. ;)
 
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Who gives a crap that the riders of MCN said? Wait till Checa gets his hands on it next year in WSBK! Most of us barely get more the 75% out of our bikes.
 
Who gives a crap that the riders of MCN said? Wait till Checa gets his hands on it next year in WSBK! Most of us barely get more the 75% out of our bikes.

Checa bike won't be anything like the bike you own so don't even bother comparing them .

as for some of the comparisons between other bike , if Ducati didn't come out with the statements that the 1199 was going to destroy the competition there wouldn't be any , they make statements like that then it comes out , its only be slightly better that the 1198 in performance wise .

yes its pretty , is it designed well personally i don't think so have a close look at how everything is bolted to the engine cases to looks weak and already proven to be so , it also has engine issues with more than a few engines self destructing .

i don't care about the brand i just want the best bike for the job , thats why i canceled the 1199 and brought a Honda , i wanted the best handling fastest bike i could buy for the track , so i got a EX factory honda cheaper than you will pay for a S model 1199 .

i don't know why so many here get up set when someone says something negative about the 1199 even if its the truth , yes its a 1199 forum but its about the good and the bad , most seam to see Ducati with blinkers on just because its a Ducati doesn't mean its the best , there are a lot better bikes out there for a lot less money .

what ever you buy just enjoy it
 
Checa bike won't be anything like the bike you own so don't even bother comparing them .

as for some of the comparisons between other bike , if Ducati didn't come out with the statements that the 1199 was going to destroy the competition there wouldn't be any , they make statements like that then it comes out , its only be slightly better that the 1198 in performance wise .

yes its pretty , is it designed well personally i don't think so have a close look at how everything is bolted to the engine cases to looks weak and already proven to be so , it also has engine issues with more than a few engines self destructing .

i don't care about the brand i just want the best bike for the job , thats why i canceled the 1199 and brought a Honda , i wanted the best handling fastest bike i could buy for the track , so i got a EX factory honda cheaper than you will pay for a S model 1199 .

i don't know why so many here get up set when someone says something negative about the 1199 even if its the truth , yes its a 1199 forum but its about the good and the bad , most seam to see Ducati with blinkers on just because its a Ducati doesn't mean its the best , there are a lot better bikes out there for a lot less money .

what ever you buy just enjoy it


Everybody has to decide for themselves what they want and need in a bike....good for you ;)
I do love the Duc bikes I own which doesn't mean I will blindly buy anything they produce. I'm on the fence about the 1199 seeing how things shake out.
 
Checa bike won't be anything like the bike you own so don't even bother comparing them .

as for some of the comparisons between other bike , if Ducati didn't come out with the statements that the 1199 was going to destroy the competition there wouldn't be any , they make statements like that then it comes out , its only be slightly better that the 1198 in performance wise .

yes its pretty , is it designed well personally i don't think so have a close look at how everything is bolted to the engine cases to looks weak and already proven to be so , it also has engine issues with more than a few engines self destructing .

i don't care about the brand i just want the best bike for the job , thats why i canceled the 1199 and brought a Honda , i wanted the best handling fastest bike i could buy for the track , so i got a EX factory honda cheaper than you will pay for a S model 1199 .

i don't know why so many here get up set when someone says something negative about the 1199 even if its the truth , yes its a 1199 forum but its about the good and the bad , most seam to see Ducati with blinkers on just because its a Ducati doesn't mean its the best , there are a lot better bikes out there for a lot less money .

what ever you buy just enjoy it

You don't seem like a particularly bright chap, so let me spell it out for you: a lot of us really like the 1199 so that is why we are buying one.

I'm glad you bought a full on race bike for the track days you go to a few times a year. No so smart, but it will be fun, I'm sure. You would have been better off just buying a GSXR1000 or a ZX10 for maximum enjoyment at a track day so you could focus on your riding rather than worrying about set up of engine and chassis, swapping slicks out every half day or less, and trying to figure out all that data that your telemetry delivers. Gosh, I hope you did get the good data acquisition system with that race bike! Please tell me you didn't buy a spent second rate bike!!!
 
Who gives a crap that the riders of MCN said? Wait till Checa gets his hands on it next year in WSBK! Most of us barely get more the 75% out of our bikes.

You may only perform at 75% level, but some of us are faster than that.

I think the bike will be fabulous, but we are trying to hash out what the bike really is, since most of us don't have one yet, the more information the better.

I do find it strange that being the 'sexiest' trumps being the fastest to many here.

Now, the BM is pretty ugly and I don't want an I4 bike.


I always felt like the BM was more unreachable than the Big4 bikes, but now prices have narrowed. I just think back a couple years and they were selling '08 CBR1K carryovers for a little more than $8K . As others have noted, that bike still holds it own.

Chris
 
Checa bike won't be anything like the bike you own so don't even bother comparing them . (TRUE)

as for some of the comparisons between other bike , if Ducati didn't come out with the statements that the 1199 was going to destroy the competition there wouldn't be any , they make statements like that then it comes out , its only be slightly better that the 1198 in performance wise . (Indications are pointing this way, but 1198 was/is awesome bike)

yes its pretty , is it designed well personally i don't think so have a close look at how everything is bolted to the engine cases to looks weak and already proven to be so , it also has engine issues with more than a few engines self destructing . (wouldn't say 'proven')

i don't care about the brand i just want the best bike for the job , thats why i canceled the 1199 and brought a Honda , i wanted the best handling fastest bike i could buy for the track , so i got a EX factory honda cheaper than you will pay for a S model 1199 . (TRUE, but not all of us want a EX Isle of Man bike, due to a seperate list of concerns)

i don't know why so many here get up set when someone says something negative about the 1199 even if its the truth , yes its a 1199 forum but its about the good and the bad , most seam to see Ducati with blinkers on just because its a Ducati doesn't mean its the best , there are a lot better bikes out there for a lot less money . (Seems True)

what ever you buy just enjoy it (Very True)

My thoughts above.

Not sure whe Charlie Foxtrot thinks you are lacking intelligence.
 
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You don't seem like a particularly bright chap, so let me spell it out for you: a lot of us really like the 1199 so that is why we are buying one.

I'm glad you bought a full on race bike for the track days you go to a few times a year. No so smart, but it will be fun, I'm sure. You would have been better off just buying a GSXR1000 or a ZX10 for maximum enjoyment at a track day so you could focus on your riding rather than worrying about set up of engine and chassis, swapping slicks out every half day or less, and trying to figure out all that data that your telemetry delivers. Gosh, I hope you did get the good data acquisition system with that race bike! Please tell me you didn't buy a spent second rate bike!!!

you may ride on track a few times a year , its the only place i do ride and its 2-3 times at least every month . ill be out again on friday on the RSV4
i have never ridden on the road and don't see the point of it , i have a twist and go 125 scooter if i need to ride on the roads i normally take the car :-}}

enjoy your bike and keep believing in Ducati :p
 
I'm so tired of people comparing the BMW to the Ducati or any other Italian boutique brand. The BMW was built to beat the Japanese bikes at their own game, basically they took an already proven engine layout that has in the past been built to ridiculous levels of power (Lee's Cycles of San diego sold crate motors rated at 220 hp at the wheel with a full yoshimura system for the 08-12 cbr1000rr's). Then they ripped off every positive technology from the japanese brands (deltabox, unit pro link, etc.) added their own minor twists to avoid lawsuits and produced the ultimate generic I-4 motorcycle ever. Does it work on the track, hell yeah it does, it goes like stink, does it truly do anything that hasnt already been done a thousand times before...other than give people even more power than they had in the japanese bikes? not really.

The 1199 on the other hand is going out of its way to be "all new". New engine, new frame, new suspension geometry, new electronics, new ergonomics, hell even the Ducati trademark underseat exhaust is gone. The one standard that Ducati refused to budge on was the number of cylinders. I am sure they could have gone to a V-4 and had a more manageable engine in the lower revs, but the L-twin is the beating heart of Ducati superbikes. What they have accomplished with this engine is just short of unbelievable...I'm sure that 10 years ago anyone claiming almost 200 bhp at the crank would have been laughed into obscurity.

On top of all that, Ducati is to motorcycles as Ferrari is to automobiles. Sure the Nissan GT-R can smoke an F430, but I guarantee that if both were parked right next to one another people would hardly care about the GT-R. Same goes for Ducati, park a Duc next to a BMW and people will just think the BMW is an "odd Jap bike", while Ducati oozes sex appeal.

On the track the Ducati may be at a disadvantage but it would be slight, considering that even the best of the amateur racers on here posting arent really pushing these bikes to their jagged edge of performance. The BMW will most likely remain the HP king for some time, it has some of the best electronic "nannies" on the market that make all that power "seem" accessible. The Japanese will eventually make bikes that handle as well if not better than the BMW. Dont forget that we'll most likely see an "R" version of the 1199 as well, which will probably end the reign of the BMW on the track. And dont forget about Aprilia i doubt they will sit on their hands much longer when it comes to the HP wars with Ducati and BMW...imagine a 180HP+ V4 in a bike as nimble as the RSV4 and you have something approaching motorcycle zen.

The BMW just hammered the sportbike world with HP but didnt really upset the balance of the market. It found its niche between Jap bikes and the Italians and is content to be where its at. I am curious how BMW will progress with future models...basically what are they gonna rip-off next? Or will they innovate?

For me the decision came down to Aprilia or Ducati, and now I have a deposit on an 1199S. Deep down inside every BMW S1000RR owner is a desire to own an exotic, thats why the only argument they have against bikes like the Aprilia and the Ducati is "mine's faster". That's like the guy who mods a Honda Civic to post 10 second quarters so he can brag that its faster than a Ferrari...its still a Civic, bud.

First off,I'd like to say hi.I'm new here.Found the site just today.First thread I started to read was this one and I'm kinda amazed at some of the responses,like the one above.BMW has taken a proven engine layout (I4) and made it more powerful,but isn't this just what Ducati has done?Taken a twin and made it more powerful?Sure,it's a new design for Ducati,but the twin has been around for more than a century.How can you say they "ripped off" every positive technology from the japanese?Has Bimota not used perimeter frames?What about inverted forks?Did Ducati invent these?Uhhh...no,they were fist used by Buell in 1991.How about under engine exhaust?Yeah...Buell as well being first to use it.How can suspension geometry be new?So I guess the 1199 isn't something that hasn't been done before as well.It does have some new tech in it,and next year some other manufactuer will have their version of it as well,except it will be done better.That's just the nature of things.

Ducati also didn't need to make a V4 to make the bike more mangable at lower revs....they made the engine the way they did so they could spin it faster to make more horsepower.when you make more HP in the upper end of the power band you take away power from the lower.

When I park my bike next to Duc's I have just as many if not more people come up to me and talk about my bike rahter than the Duc.My bike has never been seen as an "odd jap bike".that's like saying a Duc is just a funny looking harley.

Yes,you are right about an R model 1199 and it might go around the track faster,but that is all progress.About the only real thing I see that Ducati has innovated is a frameless chassis and LED headlights into mass production.We'll see how well it works when the power level of the engine is raised.Will it react like the D16RR?

As for the crack about the "mine's faster" the BMW just isn't faster in a straight line,but according to several articles it's faster in the turns too.

I'm not here to be a jerk or start anything,but think about what you post before typing.I was looking at an 1199 this weekend,it looks like a bike I would like to own.Some of your guys' attitudes are very elitest to say the least.It doesn't matter what you ride as long as you ride,right?You get what you want because it's what YOU want....and that's fine.

Oh yeah...I own 3 bikes and one is an S1000RR.
 
First off,I'd like to say hi.I'm new here.Found the site just today.First thread I started to read was this one and I'm kinda amazed at some of the responses,like the one above.BMW has taken a proven engine layout (I4) and made it more powerful,but isn't this just what Ducati has done?Taken a twin and made it more powerful?Sure,it's a new design for Ducati,but the twin has been around for more than a century.How can you say they "ripped off" every positive technology from the japanese?Has Bimota not used perimeter frames?What about inverted forks?Did Ducati invent these?Uhhh...no,they were fist used by Buell in 1991.How about under engine exhaust?Yeah...Buell as well being first to use it.How can suspension geometry be new?So I guess the 1199 isn't something that hasn't been done before as well.It does have some new tech in it,and next year some other manufactuer will have their version of it as well,except it will be done better.That's just the nature of things.

Ducati also didn't need to make a V4 to make the bike more mangable at lower revs....they made the engine the way they did so they could spin it faster to make more horsepower.when you make more HP in the upper end of the power band you take away power from the lower.

When I park my bike next to Duc's I have just as many if not more people come up to me and talk about my bike rahter than the Duc.My bike has never been seen as an "odd jap bike".that's like saying a Duc is just a funny looking harley.

Yes,you are right about an R model 1199 and it might go around the track faster,but that is all progress.About the only real thing I see that Ducati has innovated is a frameless chassis and LED headlights into mass production.We'll see how well it works when the power level of the engine is raised.Will it react like the D16RR?

As for the crack about the "mine's faster" the BMW just isn't faster in a straight line,but according to several articles it's faster in the turns too.

I'm not here to be a jerk or start anything,but think about what you post before typing.I was looking at an 1199 this weekend,it looks like a bike I would like to own.Some of your guys' attitudes are very elitest to say the least.It doesn't matter what you ride as long as you ride,right?You get what you want because it's what YOU want....and that's fine.

Oh yeah...I own 3 bikes and one is an S1000RR.

A very interesting series of posts and a great read!

I can see how certain comments could be interpreted as elitist, however, you should consider we've had the whole "Panigale will be king", then "no it won't", then "why are you buying one when the S1KRR is better".

So, why do people buy Ducati's, or for that matter Ferrari's, when there is cheeper, faster kit on the market?

Definitely not for class leading performance.

Maybe because they like to own what is considered "exotic".

Or maybe, deep down, at places we don't talk about at parties, we just ever so slightly like to be flash bastards that stand out from the crowd ;)
 
Imagine how i feel.... after i bought the MV f4 RR before any test was done..... ( and even worst because my previous one.... from 2007 was very good bike !
this one sucks... the engine is like a scooter, and it feels like 250 kg

at least looks great as the 1199 .... the bmw look like .... ! terrible ! worst ever design for a super bike..., as for me i could never buy something that look so bad... when they change the design... i will buy.... is the best.... (((
 
Completly agree, i bought the MV F4 RR (before any test )... because i had one before which in my oppinon was a very good bike.
the new one should be better...but is not.... the engine is stops at 10.000....and starts again at 11.000.... is even dangerous in my point of view....
also it should be lighter..... but the bmw looks so so bad........
 
Completly agree, i bought the MV F4 RR (before any test )... because i had one before which in my oppinon was a very good bike.
the new one should be better...but is not.... the engine is stops at 10.000....and starts again at 11.000.... is even dangerous in my point of view....
also it should be lighter..... but the bmw looks so so bad........

Really????? You on this planet? Should be lighter? Looks ugly? Each to their own but seriously..... You been to spec savers?
 

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