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Trauma said:
But I love that bike. Unlike our R, it was really something special. In esence it was an 1198S. Goes to show, the bigger they are, the harder they fall. Another reason I got the Base.
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Nothing wrong with getting the base, but as I've said, if you get the base and add $5k of farkles, you'd be better off getting the S in the first place IMO.
 
FrostyFire said:
Exactly my point. Except if you bough a base originally, then added 5+ grand of farkles, you won't see a dime of that back. Let alone the cost of labour for installation or your time.
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FrostyFire said:
Nothing wrong with getting the base, but as I've said, if you get the base and add $5k of farkles, you'd be better off getting the S in the first place IMO.
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Yeah... the IMO is the most important part of this post... Give me the standard and $$$ in my pocket... IMO :D
 
FrostyFire said:
Nothing wrong with getting the base, but as I've said, if you get the base and add $5k of farkles, you'd be better off getting the S in the first place IMO.
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Not true if you would put those same $5K on the S! Plus, you can spend that over time. My best agrument (for me), if one dosn't have to have electronic suspension (which out of warranty will suck), the best deal is a Base with lighter wheels and better suspspension:

Base $19000
Mags $2200
Insert/shocks $2250
$23450
 
If you are talking resale - then you will lose less money on a base than hire priced models. It will also sell for less but less was paid. That's pretty much a fact. However if you are comparing a base with upgrades and that price compared to an S - or even exceeding an S, at resale time the base plus upgrades will almost certainly go for less than an S. people just will by nature have a range of prices for base models and a range of prices for S models. The base starts lower and you don't get any sort of real credit for the items you added later.

As someone else mentioned, you are better off keeping all parts and putting them back on when you resale and selling of the pieces a la carte.
 
anthem said:
If you are talking resale - then you will lose less money on a base than hire priced models. It will also sell for less but less was paid. That's pretty much a fact. However if you are comparing a base with upgrades and that price compared to an S - or even exceeding an S, at resale time the base plus upgrades will almost certainly go for less than an S. people just will by nature have a range of prices for base models and a range of prices for S models. The base starts lower and you don't get any sort of real credit for the items you added later.

As someone else mentioned, you are better off keeping all parts and putting them back on when you resale and selling of the pieces a la carte.
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All true.
 
FrostyFire said:
Think resale value...a base full of bling will still sell for less than an S.
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i think it would be easy to validate such, but after qualifying what it is that we're after (the % loss in comparison to msrp, % loss in comparison to actual purchase price, actual dollar loss between the two, etc.) what i do know is that motorcycles with a lower selling price (relatively speaking) typically sell more quickly (and easily) than those with a higher price tag, in this economy. that in itself is worth something. i also think that dealers may offer better deals (again, relatively speaking) on base model bikes versus up-market ones.

just sayin'
 
Trauma said:
Not true if you would put those same $5K on the S! Plus, you can spend that over time. My best agrument (for me), if one dosn't have to have electronic suspension (which out of warranty will suck), the best deal is a Base with lighter wheels and better suspspension:

Base $19000
Mags $2200
Insert/shocks $2250
$23450
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You're not listening...you don't need to spend an extra $5k on farkles when you get an S. Buy it and leave it as is, it already comes with cool .....
 
oalvarez said:
i think it would be easy to validate such, but after qualifying what it is that we're after (the % loss in comparison to msrp, % loss in comparison to actual purchase price, actual dollar loss between the two, etc.) what i do know is that motorcycles with a lower selling price (relatively speaking) typically sell more quickly (and easily) than those with a higher price tag, in this economy. that in itself is worth something. i also think that dealers may offer better deals (again, relatively speaking) on base model bikes versus up-market ones.

just sayin'
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Times have changed this year...spoke to a few bike shop owners, they are ALL saying the recession is over, people are spending money on bikes like it's 2007 again.
 
The consensus seems to be, if you're doing few, or no, mods, then the S has good value. Resale will be good, and the wheels/suspension are more than enough for the majority of riders/usages. As mentioned, a very trick bike out of the box.

If your plan is to turn your bike into the fastest track weapon possible, then the base is a good..er...base. As nice as the Ohlins bits are on the S, there's better out there. Same can be said for the wheels. No real need for electronic suspension on the track.

Alas, the S will always have those damn cool LED lights. :)
 
FrostyFire said:
Times have changed this year...spoke to a few bike shop owners, they are ALL saying the recession is over, people are spending (borrowed ;)) money on bikes like it's 2007 again.
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no disagreement there....and most definitely at the dealership level where "cheap" financing is easier to come by. in the secondary market where cash is often required, the less expensive bikes seem to sell much more quickly, well, at least that's what my experience has taught me (a lot of bikes mind you).
 
oalvarez said:
no disagreement there....and most definitely at the dealership level where "cheap" financing is easier to come by. in the secondary market where cash is often required, the less expensive bikes seem to sell much more quickly, well, at least that's what my experience has taught me (a lot of bikes mind you).
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Not saying this is the case for others, but I walked into a dealership this past Saturday and paid cash for my S. :D
 
11ninenine said:
The consensus seems to be, if you're doing few, or no, mods, then the S has good value. Resale will be good, and the wheels/suspension are more than enough for the majority of riders/usages. As mentioned, a very trick bike out of the box.
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value is relative. the S model's price suggests that it's more economical to buy the it versus adding the same wheels, suspension, LED lights, carbon to a Base model. resale can be measured and could be "good" on either of the two bikes. the suspension and wheels on the base model are probably good enough for the same group you reference ("majority of riders/usages") but in life, some want/need more, hence the up-market offerings. i'm resolute in my thought that there are many here that don't need what is offered on the S and don't think that the Base model is capable enough, where in truth, it offers more than they could possibly use.
 

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