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Cool! The Termi's or any full system will help with lap times if you are into that if not you are right it's a waste of money not being able to reap the benefits of a full systems.
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Cool! The Termi's or any full system will help with lap times if you are into that if not you are right it's a waste of money not being able to reap the benefits of a full systems.
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thanks for your thoughts and reply
the performance difference is not negligible in my case, the lighter wheels and better valving that the ohlins suspension offers are felt differences, at least to me they are. the wheels will help in turn-in, the suspension with feel/confidence. i have a Base model, have other bikes with Ohlins suspenders (and have owned many others), but don't feel like i could go all that much faster with an S on the roads that i ride, hence my comment. i actually do ride in the canyons and don't "tool around" in them, whether any of us need a bike to do that it another topic all together. having said that, the Panigale fits that riding need of mine just as my other bikes do.
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I probably won't upgrade my cans...I'd rather spend thousands on advanced training to learn how to ride better/faster on the track than throw some Termis on.
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Agree with your point. But, technically, a Ducati in general is "a waste of money" whether you track it or not. You can spend half and have a bike that is equal in performance with any of the Japanese models. Lets face it, most of us bought this model (S or standard) in part because of the bling factor. My point is, this debate is somewhat flawed when "value" is being discussed as it means different things to each of us. See Frosty, not one F-bomb in several sentences.
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(as to the "worth" of Termis, on either the Base or S, it's the improvement that the ECU offers, and weight reduction, exhaust throughput, etc, more than anything else.....buying them to "improve the sound" might be high on many owner's lists but is really just a by-product of the can and de-cat itself...i'll have to re-read how in the hec this plays a part in any of it! )
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IMO a bike is not a bling bike without Ohlins!!! Whether it's Japanese or not.
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I bought the base not to save money I actually wanted the Tri but if you are serious about tracking the bike you will find the base to be a better track bike. The DES is a PITA to setup for the track. I couldnt see spending a premium for the DES that was going to be replaced by aftermarket forks and shocks, the Base is a better foundation to build upon for tracking/racing. S is awesome for streets and canyon not that it can't be track but most hardcore club racer will get rid of the DES and lighten their bike up really quick.
Not sure if I would ever buy my own bike used because it going to go through hell at the track this spring and summer. I wouldn't have the heart to get back as much as I could knowing what my bike is going to go through.
Not sure if I would ever buy my own bike used because it going to go through hell at the track this spring and summer. I wouldn't have the heart to get back as much as I could knowing what my bike is going to go through.
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I agree. If I wanted a dedicated track bike, definitely base.
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Some sage like advise in the previous comments.
I can't really comment on the base vs S argument, I love all Ducati's, they are all special and I do enjoy the mods that others do. Get what you can afford, available at the time and avoid loans 'n' debts. The best and first mod to do on a bike is to own it - outright. I view bikes as a reward for hard work, as an indulgent toy and never a prudent financial investment. Bikes are fun and can certainly be a lot of fun in terms of time and recreation, be it street, track or in the garage - another outlet to decompress.
It is never wise to spend money you have not previously earned nor is it wise to spend on indulgences when it could be spent on necessities. If you don't fall into that trap and thus in the pocket of others then depreciation or resale value will not really be a factor. The only factor becomes what is possible and obtainable.
If you are concerned about depreciation then best not to buy a bike or depend on it holding any form of value, other than the value and experiences you personally have with your bike and too some them experiences can be priceless in their own right. If you mod it, then keep the original parts and as several others have said you can always return the bike to stock and part out the mods to claw back some cash.
I have a couple of friends who were real high flying financial banking types, they amassed a lot of cash and could put their finger through the bridge of their nose if you know what I mean. They were not really happy. They packed it all in and opened a small shop in SF where they both wrench any and all bikes that comes their way. Their happy souls with a lot more friends.
As a wise man once said to me if it flys, floats or ..... rent it as it will end up cheaper .. I don't think I have heeded that advise well at least ride or drive was not in there.
I can't really comment on the base vs S argument, I love all Ducati's, they are all special and I do enjoy the mods that others do. Get what you can afford, available at the time and avoid loans 'n' debts. The best and first mod to do on a bike is to own it - outright. I view bikes as a reward for hard work, as an indulgent toy and never a prudent financial investment. Bikes are fun and can certainly be a lot of fun in terms of time and recreation, be it street, track or in the garage - another outlet to decompress.
It is never wise to spend money you have not previously earned nor is it wise to spend on indulgences when it could be spent on necessities. If you don't fall into that trap and thus in the pocket of others then depreciation or resale value will not really be a factor. The only factor becomes what is possible and obtainable.
If you are concerned about depreciation then best not to buy a bike or depend on it holding any form of value, other than the value and experiences you personally have with your bike and too some them experiences can be priceless in their own right. If you mod it, then keep the original parts and as several others have said you can always return the bike to stock and part out the mods to claw back some cash.
I have a couple of friends who were real high flying financial banking types, they amassed a lot of cash and could put their finger through the bridge of their nose if you know what I mean. They were not really happy. They packed it all in and opened a small shop in SF where they both wrench any and all bikes that comes their way. Their happy souls with a lot more friends.
As a wise man once said to me if it flys, floats or ..... rent it as it will end up cheaper .. I don't think I have heeded that advise
well at least ride or drive was not in there.
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Some sage like advise in the previous comments.
I can't really comment on the base vs S argument, I love all Ducati's, they are all special and I do enjoy the mods that others do. Get what you can afford, available at the time and avoid loans 'n' debts. The best and first mod to do on a bike is to own it - outright. I view bikes as a reward for hard work, as an indulgent toy and never a prudent financial investment. Bikes are fun and can certainly be a lot of fun in terms of time and recreation, be it street, track or in the garage - another outlet to decompress.
It is never wise to spend money you have not previously earned nor is it wise to spend on indulgences when it could be spent on necessities. If you don't fall into that trap and thus in the pocket of others then depreciation or resale value will not really be a factor. The only factor becomes what is possible and obtainable.
If you are concerned about depreciation then best not to buy a bike or depend on it holding any form of value, other than the value and experiences you personally have with your bike and too some them experiences can be priceless in their own right. If you mod it, then keep the original parts and as several others have said you can always return the bike to stock and part out the mods to claw back some cash.
I have a couple of friends who were real high flying financial banking types, they amassed a lot of cash and could put their finger through the bridge of their nose if you know what I mean. They were not really happy. They packed it all in and opened a small shop in SF where they both wrench any and all bikes that comes their way. Their happy souls with a lot more friends.
As a wise man once said to me if it flys, floats or ..... rent it as it will end up cheaper .. I don't think I have heeded that advise
Well said!
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Hmmmm...
Is it not wise to borrow money, ever?
Where is the wrong in concerning oneself with how an asset may depreciate?
A used bike will hold/retain value, even the most used forms of. How much value obviously varies.
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I think anyone who buys an R is probably happy with their purchase and they probably do not think it is stupid.
If you have the cash then buy what you want.
The new 1199R here is Australia is about 47K on the road. If I was buying a 1199 now and had the cash I would buy the R and not think I am being stupid.
When I bought my S which was $35500 on the road last May, lots of people told me I was mad to spend so much on a bike when you could buy a S1000RR for 10K less.
But I liked the look of the S, not that keen on the tri colours or I would have bought that.
People pay what they want. I do not think its stupid to pay big dollars for what you want.
Each persons financial situation is different. Bit like telling people what colour jacket they should wear.
My 2 cents.
Time to get off the forum and check tire pressure, clean visor and check oil ready for a ride tomorrow.
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I think anyone who buys an R is probably happy with their purchase and they probably do not think it is stupid.
If you have the cash then buy what you want.
The new 1199R here is Australia is about 47K on the road. If I was buying a 1199 now and had the cash I would buy the R and not think I am being stupid.
When I bought my S which was $35500 on the road last May, lots of people told me I was mad to spend so much on a bike when you could buy a S1000RR for 10K less.
But I liked the look of the S, not that keen on the tri colours or I would have bought that.
People pay what they want. I do not think its stupid to pay big dollars for what you want.
Each persons financial situation is different. Bit like telling people what colour jacket they should wear.
My 2 cents.
Time to get off the forum and check tire pressure, clean visor and check oil ready for a ride tomorrow.
That's relative, everything is more expensive in Aus, but earnings are also much higher. In Vancouver we get the worst of both worlds, highest real estate prices in North America and low income.
I think what I was trying to say, if you're going to ride your bike to Starbucks, a 1198S would do the job just fine vs. a 1098R. There are few exceptions of course, I have a friend who broke in his 1098R on the track, that's his "track beater." He also probably thought his 1098R was cheap.
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Oh ...., next time please specify the response you were looking for in the original post.
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Get the base it's a better bike . The Ohlins on the S are just a gimmick and will be surprised if you see them on future models .
The standard Marzocchis forks on the Base are excellent in fact we have guys racing in our series with out the box front forks I did my first meeting beore fitting 30mm Ohlins cartridge which is better but only slightly all the guys with the S have already upgraded .
If you want lighter wheels buy some that at least look good .
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You're kidding, right? Go back and look at how much Ducati charges for the "S" package with those shocks. They are not going to discontinue them as long as folks are willing on paying a $5000 upcharge for the S.
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