1199 v 1199s

Ducati Forum

Help Support Ducati Forum:

jjsC6 said:
You're kidding, right? Go back and look at how much Ducati charges for the "S" package with those shocks. They are not going to discontinue them as long as folks are willing on paying a $5000 upcharge for the S.
Click to expand...

I think you're right with respect to Ducati marketing. But I agree with Wilkson (at least as far as the front end on the base is concerned). The Marzocchis on the base appear to be up to the job. I've been surprised at how well they work considering past experience with the brand (admittedly 15 yrs or so back - they've come along way since then).
 
wilkson said:
Get the base it's a better bike . The Ohlins on the S are just a gimmick and will be surprised if you see them on future models .
The standard Marzocchis forks on the Base are excellent in fact we have guys racing in our series with out the box front forks I did my first meeting beore fitting 30mm Ohlins cartridge which is better but only slightly all the guys with the S have already upgraded .
If you want lighter wheels buy some that at least look good .
Click to expand...

The Ohlins are not a gimmick, the gimmick is the stepping motors. AFAIK, it is proper Ohlins kit on the S.

And of course we all know the S is pure marketing hype, the kit is inferior to the base. Meh!

And to respond to the question about borrowing money, it is a pretty daft thing to borrow money on a depreciating asset as most bikes and cars are.
 
No man i rode the tri color and it was sweet as expected, but my base i picked up two days ago is much more appreciated. Plus the money you save, i think you'll be just as happy without the ohlins even though it's a really nice upgrade. I have no issue setting everything by hand and not through electronics. (just for money saving purposes)
 
Marcbc said:
The Ohlins are not a gimmick, the gimmick is the stepping motors. AFAIK, it is proper Ohlins kit on the S.

And of course we all know the S is pure marketing hype, the kit is inferior to the base. Meh!

And to respond to the question about borrowing money, it is a pretty daft thing to borrow money on a depreciating asset as most bikes and cars are.
Click to expand...

Yes your right I do agree that Ohlins are a company and not a gimmick . :)
 
Marcbc said:
And to respond to the question about borrowing money, it is a pretty daft thing to borrow money on a depreciating asset as most bikes and cars are.
Click to expand...

the question was specific to borrowing money, in response to a poster's comment ("It is never wise to spend money you have not previously earned...") and one that i don't agree with. as to your comment, why do you think it's "daft" to borrow money (this would include leasing), especially very cheap monies these days, to buy a car or a motorcycle? these are necessities for some people, their modes of transportation, ways to a mean, and borrowing today for a dollar you might have tomorrow isn't as foolish or stupid as you have labeled it out to be. well, at least i don't think so ;)
 
I got the base abs because it was the best I can afford. But if i can afford it, i would've gotten the best available model. You are getting diminishing returns for each additional dollar spent, but as we climb the luxury staircase, common logic also diminishes.

Consider your budget should include riding gear, extended warranty, insurance costs, and necessary upgrades (that's another topic, but I'll throw 3 in there)

FOOTPEGS - ......., WHY 'EM GOTTA GREASE THEM UP
SEAT - TOASTING BUNS ON BACON GREASE
SPRINGS - Y'ALL KNOW THE FRONT AND REAR DON'T MATCH, BOTH ON THE BASE AND S

In other words, if you got the dough, get the "R".
 
oalvarez said:
the question was specific to borrowing money, in response to a poster's comment ("It is never wise to spend money you have not previously earned...") and one that i don't agree with. as to your comment, why do you think it's "daft" to borrow money (this would include leasing), especially very cheap monies these days, to buy a car or a motorcycle? these are necessities for some people, their modes of transportation, ways to a mean, and borrowing today for a dollar you might have tomorrow isn't as foolish or stupid as you have labeled it out to be. well, at least i don't think so ;)
Click to expand...

Thankfully we are all allowed our opinions.
 
I have a question... As I have not yet purchased my 1199 (I am still riding a GSXR), I have found the arguement of buying a std model and upgrading the wheels and suspension to be quite compelling.

My question, however, is of the LED lights that have been mentioned several times... Can you not retrofit the LED lights from a wrecked S model into the base? Or just buy the replacement parts and install them?
 
steveved said:
I have a question... As I have not yet purchased my 1199 (I am still riding a GSXR), I have found the arguement of buying a std model and upgrading the wheels and suspension to be quite compelling.

My question, however, is of the LED lights that have been mentioned several times... Can you not retrofit the LED lights from a wrecked S model into the base? Or just buy the replacement parts and install them?
Click to expand...

It is cost prohibitive to buy new. But if you can find the light from a wrecked S, there is a thread on the parts required - still expensive - and process to do it. Or HID is the best method for better lighting.
 
Trauma said:
It is cost prohibitive to buy new. But if you can find the light from a wrecked S, there is a thread on the parts required - still expensive - and process to do it. Or HID is the best method for better lighting.
Click to expand...

Thanks. I'll search for that thread.

Cost prohibitive? I would imagine it has to be less than a cost of lighter wheels.
 
steveved said:
I have a question... As I have not yet purchased my 1199 (I am still riding a GSXR), I have found the arguement of buying a std model and upgrading the wheels and suspension to be quite compelling.
Click to expand...

I really believe it depends on your situation. Both financial and with regards to your plans for the bike. I think if you are going to mainly use your bike for the track or competitive racing then the base is the way to go. You may keep the suspension but upgrade the internals or replace altogether, new wheels, etc... It would just cost more in the end if you got an S. I think there are better wheels than the Marchesini's. Also, the S suspension is difficult to set up precisely for both street use and track use. It's not that the Ohlins aren't any good, I think they're very good for a 150lb Italian, but the functional range of the DES is fairly narrow. If your mainly using your bike for street I think the S is a good bargain for what you get. Opinions are free and this is my donation!
 
Marcbc said:
And to respond to the question about borrowing money, it is a pretty daft thing to borrow money on a depreciating asset as most bikes and cars are.
Click to expand...

I agree but @ 1.49% APR the credit union can have the 10 bux a month interest.

I'll be out riding...
 
FrostyFire said:
Are you that ....... stupid? Termis are an expensive mod you won't see any money for when you sell it, and isn't going to improve anything other than your poser points and pissing off your neighbours. So to say you chose a base to save thousands is a moot point considering you shelled out for a pointless ....... upgrade over the S with intelligent ones.
Click to expand...

Frosty, have a cup of coffee, a Marlboro, and relax.
 
there are times where the time value of money might exceed the cost of borrowing such money but it isn't usually that common (usually some sort of promotion). If you're doing that - then its certainly more feasible to "borrow" such money. However in that situation, I don't think MarcBC is applying his philosophy because you're choosing to take the 'better option'.

Now, the philosophy on borrowing to buy depreciating assets - hey, we all know it happens and people do it. But if you had the money to buy it outright - would you still choose to borrow under those same circumstances ? Probably not. So, while not everyone is in the same situation as others - the philosophy of trying not to borrow on depreciating assets is mostly sound.

And yes, everyone is entitled to differing opinions on the matter.
 

Similar threads

3
V4 or V4S
2 3 4
Replies
64
Views
3K
SuperDomestique
SuperDomestique
C
My 2023 V4 Panigale track build
2 3
Replies
56
Views
3K
SuperDomestique
SuperDomestique
K
Slicks on the Road, Pros and Cons?
2 3
Replies
53
Views
1K
craig bush
craig bush
A
New Forum member from Spain
Replies
1
Views
213
AlanM
A
jmlrkvmd
Rear Brake Useless
Replies
1
Views
680
SuperDomestique
SuperDomestique

Register CTA

Register on Ducati Forum! This sidebar will go away, and you will see fewer ads.

Recent Discussions

Back
Top